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Gitin 6

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(a) The Tana of the Beraisa cites two cases regarding the Sheli'ach of a Get: one of them, when he was in the house whilst the Get was being written in the attic, or vice-versa.
What is the other?

(b) How can the Shelichus be valid in the first case, considering that the Sheli'ach did not actually see the Get being written?

(c) Seeing as in the first case, where the Sheli'ach does not see the Get being written at all, his Shelichus is valid, then it should be obvious that it is valid in the second case of Nichnas ve'Yotze (assuming that it is referring to the Sheli'ach), and the Tana should not have inserted it.
So how do we establish the case of Nichnas ve'Yotze? Who is Nichnas ve'Yotze?

(d) What is then the Chidush?

(a) Rav considers Bavel like Eretz Yisrael regarding Gitin.
What does this mean?

(b) What does Shmuel say?

(c) How do we initially attempt to establish the basis of their Machlokes?

(d) On what grounds do we refute this proposition?

(a) We conclude that both Rav and Shmuel hold like Rava, and that their dispute is connected with the many Yeshivos in Bavel.
What exactly is the basis of their Machlokes?

(b) We support this explanation with a statement by Rebbi Aba Amar Rav Huna. What did he mean when he declared 'Asinu Atzmeinu be'Bavel ke'Eretz Yisrael le'Gitin mi'Chi Asa Rav le'Bavel'?

(a) How did they know that Bavel lay north of Eretz Yisrael (even in those days, when they had no maps)?

(b) Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah states that from Acco and northwards (including Acco) has a Din of Medinas ha'Yam.
What problem does the opinion of Rebbi Meir, who precludes Acco, create for Rebbi Aba Amar Rav Huna ('Asinu Atzmeinu be'Bavel ... ')?

(c) Rebbi Yirmiyah posed the Kashya. How did he himself answer it?

(a) According to Rav Papa, the area of Bavel regarding Gitin is the same as that of Bavel regarding Yuchsin, which, in turn, is subject to a Machlokes. What is the significance of 'Yuchsin' in this regard?

(b) In Rav Yosef's opinion, the Machlokes by Yuchsin does not extend to Gitin, and Bavel reaches as far as 'Arba Tinyana de'Gishra'.
What does 'Arba Tinyana de'Gishra' mean?

(c) Rav Chisda required 'be'Fanai Nichtav' by a Get that a Sheli'ach that brought from Aktispun to Bei Ardeshir, but not vice-versa.
Is this because he holds like Rabah, and whereas the Sofrim of Aktispun were not expert in Li'shmah, the Sofrim of Bei Ardeshir were?

(d) Since we conclude that Rav Chisda holds like Rava, why does he then make this distinction?

(a) Rabah bar Avuhah required 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' even from one row of houses to the row of houses on the opposite side of the street. Rav Sheishes required it from one Shechunah to another.
What constitutes a Shechunah?

(b) Rava is the most stringent of all.
What does he say?

(c) How do we reconcile this with Rava himself, who says 'Le'fi she'Ein Eidim Metzuyin Lekaymo'? Why would there be a problem with finding witnesses from one house in a Shechunah to another?

(a) When Rav Kahana once brought the case of a Get that a Sheli'ach had brought from Sura to Neherda'a (or vice-versa) before Rav, what did Rav rule?

(b) What did Rav mean when added 've'I Avdis Ahanis'?

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(a) Where is K'far Sisa'i? Next to which town is it close?

(b) What objection did Rebbi Ila'i therefore raise when Rebbi Yishmael instructed that Sheli'ach who brought a Get from K'far Sisa'i to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '?

(c) Why can we not answer that the Rabbanan who argue with Rebbi Meir with regard to Acco, will argue with him with regard to K'far Sisa'i too?

(d) Why was Rebbi Yishmael not perturbed by Rebbi Ila'i's Kashya? How do we then justify Rebbi Ila'i's Kashya?

(a) What reason did Rav Chisda give to explain Rebbi Evyasar, who said that a Sheli'ach who brought a Get from Eretz Yisrael to Bavel did not need to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '?

(b) Besides querying Rebbi Evyasar's reliability, what other problem did Rav Yosef have with him? Which incident was Rebbi Evyasar referring to?

(c) What was Rebbi Evyasar referring to when he quoted the Pasuk concerned?

(a) According to Rebbi Yitzchak, one is permitted to write two words without Sirtut, but not three.
What does the Tana of the Beraisa say?

(b) On what grounds did Abaye ...

  1. ... query Rav Yosef regarding his problem with Rebbi Evyasar?
  2. ... prove his reliability?
(c) According to Rebbi Evyasar, the husband of the 'Pilegesh be'Giv'ah' was angry with his wife because he found a fly in the soup.
What does Rebbi Yonasan say?

(d) What did Eliyahu reply when, after informing Rebbi Evyasar that Hashem cited his opinion and the opinion of Rebbi Yonasan regarding Pilegesh be'Giv'ah, Rebbi Evyasar asked how it was possible for Hashem to have doubts?

(a) According to Rav Yehudah, he found the fly in his soup and the hair by the Makom Ervah.
What do others say?

(b) Why did the husband of the Pilegesh be'Giv'ah only become angry after he found the hair, according to ...

  1. ... Rav Yehudah?
  2. ... the second opinion?
(c) What important lesson can we learn from this incident?
(a) Rav Yehudah Amar Rav warns that someone who does use strong-arm tactics in his home will ultimately transgress three major sins.
Which sins?

(b) How will he transgress ...

  1. ... adultery?
  2. ... murder?
  3. ... Chilul Shabbos?
(c) Which three things does the Tana in the Mishnah in Shabbos list that a person should say to his wife on Erev Shabbos shortly before dusk?

(d) Rabah bar bar Chanah offered some good advice regarding this Mishnah. Rav Ashi came to the same conclusion of his own volition.
What was the good advice?

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