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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) We just resolved the discrepancies in Rebbi Meir. Although Rebbi Yehudah
decrees Shogeg on account of Meizid by Isurim d'Oraysa, he did not decree in
the case of someone who planted a tree in Shevi'is be'Shogeg, which he
permits him to retain - because the people in his town were very strict
(b) When someone called a certain man from Rebbi Yehudah's town a Ger, son
of a Ger, he replied that he did not fruit of Shevi'is like the person who
called him the name did.
(a) The difference between the payment of someone who ate Terumah be'Shogeg
and someone who ate it be'Meizid is - that whereas the former pays with
Chulin fruit that is fit to (and that does become Terumah), the latter can
(b) The source for the former Din is the Pasuk in Emor 've'Nasan la'Kohen es
(c) The Beraisa requires someone who ate Terumah Temei'ah be'Shogeg to pay -
(d) In the event that he paid Chulin Temei'in, Sumchus Mishum Rebbi Meir
rules 'be'Shogeg Tashlumav Tashlumin, be'Meizid Ein Tashlumav Tashlumin'.
The Chachamim say - 'Echad Zeh ve'Echad Zeh Tashlumav Tashlumin, ve'Chozer
u'Meshalem Chulin Tehorim.
(a) Even though he already payed once, the one who ate Terumah be'Shogeg is
obligated to pay again - in the form of a K'nas for having paid Terumah
Temei'ah instead of Tehorah.
(b) The problem with this K'nas is - what is the point of penalizing him,
seeing as he ate Terumah Tehorah (which is not fit for a Kohen to eat during
the days that he is Tamei), and payed him Chulin Temei'in (which is,
according to his intention of paying Chulin), he seems to have done the
Kohen a favor, so why is he penalized?
(c) We therefore amend the Beraisa. According to the new version, for eating
Terumah Temei'ah be'Shogeg - he pays anything that is fit to become Terumah
(irrespective of whether it is Tahor or Tamei).
(d) Rebbi Meir and the Rabbanan then argue - over what he must do if he ate
Terumah Tehorah, and paid Chulin Temei'in.
(a) When Rebbi Meir says 'be'Meizid Ein Tashlumav Tashlumin' - he means that
although what he paid is valid, he is obligated to pay again.
(b) The basis of the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim is -
whether 'Konsin Shogeg Atu Meizid' (the Chachamim) or not (Rebbi Meir).
(c) Even though min'ha'Torah he was Yotze with the first payment, and the
second payment is only a K'nas mi'de'Rabbanan, Rebbi Meir does not decree
here Shogeg Atu Meizid like he does by Metamei, Medamei and Menasech -
because, seeing as the sinner made the effort to compensate, it is eveident
that he is trying to make up for sinning, so what would be the point of
punishing because he made a mistake in the process.
(a) If the blood of a Korban that became Tamei was sprinkled on the
Mizbei'ach - the Korban is Kasher, because the the Kohen Gadol's Tzitz
atones for the sin of Tum'ah.
(b) The Beraisa (whose author might be Rebbi Meir) says - that if the Kohen
sprinkled it be'Meizid, the Korban is not Kasher (mi'de'Rabbanan) regarding
the owner eating the meat of the Korban, but be'Shogeg, he is (though he is
Yotze with the Korban in any case).
(c) Rebbi Meir does not decree Shogeg Atu Meizid here - because like in the
previous case, the sinner made the effort to bring his Korban, so it seems
senseless to penalize him for a mistake does not even appear to be his.
(d) We give the same answer regarding the Mishnah in Terumos 'ha'Me'aser
be'Shabbos be'Shogeg Yochal, be'Meizid Lo Yochal', and the Mishnah there
'ha'Matbil Keilim be'Shabbos, be'Shogeg Yishtamesh Bahem ... '. The Isur
that is involved here in the case of ...
1. ... 'ha'Me'aser be'Shabbos' is - that it resembles Mesaken (which in
turn, is a Toldah of Makeh ba'Patish.
2. ... 'ha'Matbil Keilim be'Shabbos' - is exactly the same as that of
(a) Perech-nuts of Orlah are not Bateil even in a thousand - because they
are Chashuv (significant), and mi'de'Rabbanan, a Davar Chashuv is not
(b) If they were to break and fall into Heter by themselves - they would
(c) According to Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah, if the owner broke them, even
be'Shogeg and they fell into the Heter, they would not become Bateil.
'Shogeg' in this case means - not with the intention of negating them for
them to become Bateil.
(d) Rebbi Yossi and Rebbi Shimon say - 'be'Shogeg Ya'alu, be'Meizid Lo
(a) Despite the fact that the non-Bitul of Perech-nuts is mi'de'Rabbanan,
Rebbi Yehudah decrees Shogeg on account of Meizid - because we suspect that
he will break the nuts be'Meizid and claim that he did it be'Shogeg.
(b) The Shiur Bitul of Orlah and K'lai ha'Kerem is - one in two hundred.
(c) A growing tree of Orlah is not Bateil in even more than that - because
whatever is attached to the ground does not become Bateil.
(d) The Tana Kama permits fruit that is subsequently picked from it
(Bedieved) - only on condition that he did not pick it in order to be
Mevatel it. The reason that it is Bateil is - because he probably thought
that it was Bateil when it was still attached, making him a Shogeg.
(a) Rebbi Yossi is more lenient than the Tana Kama of the Mishnah in Orlah.
According to him - even if he picked the fruit with the express intention of
being Mevatel it, it becomes Bateil.
(b) We reconcile Rebbi Yossi here with Rebbi Yossi in the Beraisa of
Perech-nuts, who said 'be'Meizid Lo Ya'alu' - by citing Rava who said that
nobody in his right mind will come to plant a tree of Orlah in his orchard
without a mark of identification (to render all his trees forbidden). And
due to the rare incidence of this case, Chazal did not include it in the
(c) Ravin Amar Rebbi Yochanan 'Chazakah Ein Adam Oser es Karmo bi'Neti'ah
Achas' (like Rava).
(a) Kohanim who render someone's Korban, Pigul, are obligated to pay,
provided they did so be'Meizid.
(b) The Beraisa says that if someone is working with his friend in Taharos
or Kodshei Mizbei'ach and tells him that the Taharos had become Tamei or the
Kodshim Pigul - he is believed.
(c) According to Abaye, the difference between this case and a similar case,
but where he referred to the Taharos or the Kodshim of a previous day, in
which case he is not believed - is the fact that the latter is no longer
'be'Yado'. Rava does not require that it should still be 'be'Yado', and the
reason that the Kohen is not believed in the latter case is - because on the
previous occasion that the Kohen met him, he failed to mention the Pigul,
suggesting that he had since fabricated the facts.
(d) Rebbi Ami thought to say like Abaye. Rebbi Yochanan however, quoting
Rebbi Yossi said to him 'Mah E'eseh, she'ha'Torah He'eminaso', which Rebbi
Yitzchak bar Bisna based on the Pasuk (regarding the Avodah on Yom-Kipur)
"ve'Chol Adam Lo Yihyeh be'Ohel Mo'ed", in spite of which he is believed to
say that he was Mefagel one of the Korbanos (see Tosfos DH 'de'Chi').
(a) We refute the above proof from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos, by suggesting
that perhaps they heard the Kohen Gadol stating the Pigul. We reject this
counterproof however - on the grounds that if we did not believe him, we
would have no way of knowing that he was not stating the Pigul after the
Korban had been brought be'Kashrus.
(b) We reinstate the counterproof however - by pointing out that the Kohanim
could have been watching the Kohen Gadol via the Pishpesh (one of two small
side-doors that opened to the Heichal, through which they could see the
Kohen Gadol performing the Avodah).
(a) Rebbi Ami ...
1. ... asked the Sofer who claimed that he had failed to write the Holy
Names in the Sefer-Torah that he had written for so-and- so, Lishman - who
was currently holding the Sefer-Torah.
(b) One could not simply overwrite the Names of Hashem to render the
Sefer-Torah Kasher - because Rebbi Ami held like the Chachamim of Rebbi
Yehudah, who hold that this would not render the Sefer, Kasher.
2. ... subsequently ruled, when the Sofer replied that the Sefer was already
in the hands of the purchaser - that, in that case, it was no longer
be'Yado, and that, although he was believed to lose his remuneration, he was
not believed to invalidate the Sefer.
3. ... replied to Rebbi Yirmiyah, who asked on what basis he should lose the
remuneration for the entire Sefer, and not just for the Names - that a
Sefer-Torah without Names was worthless.
(c) This is based on a Machlokes in a Beraisa, in which Rebbi Yehudah and
the Chachamim argue over someone who wrote Yehudah (but omitted the 'Vav')
when he really should have written Hashem's Name.
1. Rebbi Yehudah says there - that he can validate the Sefer by overwriting
the Name of Hashem.
(d) Rebbi Ami's ruling might even follow the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah - who
only permits one Name that has been corrected in this way, but not an entire
Sefer-Torah, which would look blotched and would therefore be Pasul.
2. The Chachamim say - that this will not validate the Sefer-Torah.
(a) When a Sofer claimed that in the course of preparing the Sefer-Torah
that he had written for so-and-so, he had not made the G'vilin (the
parchment) Lishman, Rebbi Avahu ruled - that since he was believed to lose
his remuneration, he was also believed to invalidate the entire Sefer-Torah.
(b) Rebbi Ami would agree with Rebbi Avahu's ruling - on the grounds that
whereas in his case, we could attribute the Sofer's claim to his belief that
he would only lose the remuneration for the Names of Hashem (a relatively
small loss), like Rebbi Yirmiyah; whereas in this case, why would anyone
invalidate an entire Sefer-Torah (and lose all his remuneration) unless it