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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Gitin 5
GITIN 4 & 5 - have been anonymously dedicated by a very special Marbitz
Torah and student of the Daf from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
(a) The Mishnah says later in a case where the Sheliach is unable to say
'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' - that, if the Get has signatories, it can be
validated by substantiating the signatures.
(b) The Tana cannot be referring to a Cheresh whom the husband appointed a
Sheli'ach - because the Mishnah later disqualifies a Cheresh, Shotah or
Katan from the Shelichus of a Get.
(c) The reason for this is - because they do not have Da'as.
(d) Rav Yosef therefore establishes that Mishnah - when the Sheli'ach
brought the Get as a healthy person, and he became a Cheresh just before
handing over the Get (see Tosfos DH 'Ileima').
(a) This Mishnah creates a problem for Rabah - because according to him, we
would still have to suspect that the Get was written she'Lo li'Shmah, and it
ought to be Pasul, even if witnesses did subsequently substantiate it.
(b) We answer that the Mishnah is speaking after they learned to write a Get
Li'shmah. Nonetheless, a Sheli'ach who is able to speak remains obligated to
say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' - because (no Beis-Din had rescinded the
original decree and) we are afraid that circumstances might revert to what
(c) The reason that we are nevertheless lenient in the case of a Pike'ach
she'Nischaresh - is because a Pike'ach she'Nischaresh is rare, and Chazal
tended not to include rare cases in their decrees.
(d) We then ask from a woman who brings her own Get, which is certainly most
unusual, yet she is required to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '. This is
possible (i.e. she is not divorced as soon as she receives it) - if her
husband stipulated that the divorce should not take effect until she arrived
at such and such a Beis-Din.
(a) A woman who brings her own Get is required to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav
... ' (despite the fact that it is unusual) - because Chazal did not want to
differentiate between one Sheli'ach and another (Lo P'lug) there where one
Sheli'ach brings the Get (Tosfos DH 'she'Lo').
(b) We do not apply the same S'vara when a Pike'ach she'Nischaresh is the
Sheli'ach - because in fact, the Pike'ach she'Nischaresh is indeed obligated
to make the declaration like everybody else, only he is unable to do so.
(c) We absolve a husband who bring his wife's Get from saying 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... ' - on the grounds that Chazal obligated the Sheli'ach to
declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' to offset the husband later arriving and
claiming that the Get is a forgery, something that is not feasible in a case
where he himself brought the Get.
(a) When Shmuel asked Rav Huna whether two Sheluchim who brought a Get from
overseas are required to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' or not, he replied
in the negative - because if they were to testify that her husband divorced
her in their presence, they would anyway be believed (so we believe them
with a 'Migu', on account of what they could have said).
(b) We establish Rav Huna's ruling according to Rabah - after they learned
to write a Get Li'shmah. Nor are we concerned that the Get may not have been
written Li'shmah - because it is uncommon for two people to bring a Get (as
we explained earlier with regard to a healthy Sheli'ach who became a
(c) One Sheli'ach is nevertheless required to do so - because of 'Lo P'lug'
(as we explained earlier - in 3a.)
(d) Two Sheluchim are not also required to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav' -
because it is unusual for two Sheluchim to bring a Get ... (as we explained
(a) The Tana of a Beraisa says that, in the case of a Get brought by a
Sheli'ach who did not say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' - that as long as its
signatures are substantiated, it is Kasher.
(b) We initially explain the Tana's statement 'Hevi Lo Hutzrechu Lomar
be'Fanai Nichtav ... Lehachmir Alehah Ela Lehakeil Alehah' - to mean that
the Takanah was not to be strict, to make him testify that the Get was
signed in his presence even when the Get has been substantiated, but to be
lenient, to spare the need to search for witnesses to substantiate the Get
when it has not.
(a) Even though, according to Rabah, the Tana is speaking after they learned
how to write a Get Li'shmah, we nevertheless do not make them declare
'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' because of the possibility that the circumstances
may revert to what they were - because he is speaking when the woman has
(b) So we explain the reason given by the Tana 'Hevi Lo Hutzrechu Lomar
be'Fanai Nichtav ... Lehachmir Ela Lehakeil' - to mean that they did not
require 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' to be stringent with a woman who was already
remarried (and to force her to accept a divorce), but to be lenient
initially, to avoid the need to bring witnesses, should her first husband
claim that the Get is forged.
(c) The reason that we are not stringent in the case of a married woman -
because when all's said and done, her first husband has not claimed the Get
to be a forgery, so why should we?
(a) We establish that Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi and Rebbi Yochanan argue the
same Machlokes as Rabah and Rava. When Rebbi Shimon bar Aba came before
Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi with a Get that he brought from Medinas ha'Yam, and
asked whether he needs to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ', he replied - that
it was no longer necessary to make this declaration, because the Sofrim from
overseas had learned to write Gitin Li'shmah, in which case Rebbi Yehoshua
ben Levi clearly holds like Rabah, and Rebbi Yochanan, like Rava.
(b) The problem that we nevertheless have with Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's
ruling is - that Rabah concedes to Rava's reason of 'Le'fi she'Ein Eidim
Metzuyin Lekaymo' (in which case, Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi will have to agree
with it too - since it is based on Raban Shimon ben Gamliel in our Mishnah),
so how could he absolve Rebbi Shimon bar Aba from the declaration?
(c) This Kashya has no bearing whatsoever on our proof that Rebbi Yehoshua
ben Levi holds like Rabah, which remains intact.
(a) We resolve our problem regarding the Kashya 've'Ha Rabah Is Lei
de'Rava' - by pointing out that there was a second witness who accompanied
Rebbi Shimon bar Aba (and even Rava agrees that two witnesses who bring a
Get do not need to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ...').
(b) The second witness was omitted when the episode was related - in
deference to Rebbi Shimon bar Aba.
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi and Rebbi Yochanan also argue over how many
people need to be present when the Sheli'ach hands over the Get and make his
declaration. When Ravin bar Rav Chisda came before Rebbi Yochanan with a Get
from overseas, he instructed him - to take it in front of two people, in
which case Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi will require three.
(b) We suggest that their Machlokes is tied up with the Machlokes between
Rabah and Rava. We think that Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi, who requires three
people, will hold like Rava - because it is logical that the one who
requires three is the one who requires the Sh'tar to be substantiated, since
three constitutes a Beis-Din.
(c) We reject this theory on two scores, one of them because Rabah too,
agrees with Rava's reason of 'Le'fi she'Ein Eidim Metzuyin Lekaymo' (in
which case, Rebbi Yochanan will agree with it too). The other objection is -
the conclusion that we just arrived at that Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi holds
like Rava, in which case Rebbi Yochanan must hold like Rava, so *he* ought
to be the one who requires three witnesses, and not Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi.
(a) So we suggest that they argue over whether 'Sheli'ach Na'aseh Eid ve'Eid
Na'aseh Dayan' or not - meaning that they argue over whether or not, 'Eid
Na'aseh Dayan', just as it is unanimously agreed that 'Sheli'ach Na'aseh
(b) The opinion of ...
1. ... Rebbi Yochanan is - 'Eid Na'aseh Dayan', in which case two people
will suffice to hand over the Get in their presence), because the Sheli'ach
himself can combine with them to make up three.
(c) We refute this suggestion however - on the grounds that when it comes to
issues that are mi'de'Rabbanan (such as Kiyum Sh'taros [and to which
category 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' belongs]) - everyone agrees that 'Eid
2. ... Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi - will hold 'Ein Eid Na'aseh Dayan' (and
three people are therefore required).
(d) We finally base their Machlokes on the occasions that a woman brings the
Get - and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi is afraid that, if one normally presents
it in front of witnesses, relying on the Sheli'ach to complete the Beis-Din,
then they will also rely on the woman to do so; whereas Rebbi Yochanan
maintains that everyone knows that a woman is not Kasher to sit on a
(a) Rebbi Meir in a Beraisa rules that if a Sheli'ach brings a Get from
overseas, and forgets to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ', the Get is Pasul
and the children are Mamzeirim - because as Rav Huna quoted Ula as saying,
Rebbi Meir is of the opinion that in the realm of Gitin, whenever someone
changes from the way the Chachamim 'minted the coin' of a Get, the Get is
(b) According to the Rabbanan - the woman should return the Get to the
Sheli'ach, who must then present her with the Get in the presence of two
people (corroborating the opinion of Rebbi Yochanan), and declare 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... '.
(a) When bar Hedya, who had been appointed a Sheli'ach to take a Get to
another town, came before Rebbi Achi in his town, the latter told him to
attend the writing of the Get from beginning to end. bar Hedya came before
Rebbi Achi - because he was the Rav in charge of Gitin in that town.
(b) Such an appointment was necessary - because we have learned that unless
one is an expert in matters concerning Gitin and Kidushin, one should not
get involved with them.
(a) When bar Hedya subsequently informed Rav Ami and Rav Asi (see Rashash)
what Rebbi Achi had said - they subsequently told him that it was
unnecessary to be present for the writing of the entire Get.
(b) In fact, one would even be ill-advised to do so - because that would
create aspersions on all other Gitin where this was not performed, as it
would imply that wherever the Sheli'ach did not witness the writing of the
entire Get, it is invalid.
(c) When Rabah bar bar Chanah asked Rebbi Elazar about a Get, half of which
was written in his presence and half of which was not - he replied that, as
long as he witnessed just one line being written, it would be Kasher.
(d) Rav Ashi is even more lenient. He says - that even hearing the
scratching of the pen, which signifies that the Sofer is writing the Get,