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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Gitin 4
GITIN 4 & 5 - have been anonymously dedicated by a very special Marbitz
Torah and student of the Daf from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
(a) We finally establish the author of our Mishnah (which, according to
Rabah, requires both the Kesivah and the Chasimah Li'shmah), as Rebbi
Elazar. To reconcile this with the fact that Rebbi Elazar does not generally
require Eidei Chasimah at all, we cite a statement by Rebbi Aba - who says
that Rebbi Elazar concedes that when a Sh'tar is signed by witnesses who
have a P'sul, it is (worse than a Sh'tar which is not signed by witnesses at
all, and is) Pasul.
(b) Besides witnesses who signed she'Lo Li'shmah - witnesses who are
intrinsically Pasul (because they are relatives to one of the parties or
because they are Pasul).
(c) Rav Ashi establishes our Mishnah like Rebbi Yehudah - who invalidates a
Get whether it is written or signed when it is attached.
(d) Despite the fact that Rav Ashi's explanation of our Mishnah is so
obvious, we did not present it earlier (to answer the Kashya on Rabah),
preferring to establish our Mishnah like ...
1. ... Rebbi Meir - because of the principle 'S'tam Mishnah ke'Rebbi Meir'.
2. ... Rebbi Elazar - because we rule that a Get without signatures is
Kasher, like Rebbi Elazar.
(a) A town which is 'Muvla'as be'Soch ha'Techum' differs from one which is
'Samuch la'Ir' - inasmuch it is outside the path that runs between two
towns, one of which lies further east than the other. The town in question
is in effect, closer to Eretz Yisrael than the town further east, even
though the town further east is inside Eretz Yisrael, whilst *it* is not.
(b) Raban Gamliel in our Mishnah requires a Sheli'ach who brings a Get from
Rekem and Chagar to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '; whilst Rebbi Eliezer
adds even one who brings it from K'far Ludim to Lud. According to the Tana
Kama - neither of them are required to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '.
(c) The Machlokes between Raban Gamliel and Rebbi Eliezer is - whether the
Sheli'ach who brings a Get from K'far Ludim to Lud needs to say 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... ' (Rebbi Eliezer), or not (Raban Gamliel).
(d) We suggest that the Machlokes between Raban Gamliel and the Tana Kama is
the equivalent Machlokes to that of Rabah and Rava. The reasoning behind
the opinion of ...
1. ... the Tana Kama (who holds like Rabah) is - that any town that is close
to Eretz Yisrael is expert in the Dinim of writing a Get Lishmah in which
case, there is no need to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '.
2. ... Raban Gamliel (who holds like Rava) is - that whereas it remains
difficult to find witnesses between Eretz Yisrael and (even) a town that is
close, it will not be difficult to find them between Eretz Yisrael and a
town that is Muvla'as be'Soch ha'Techum.
3. ... Rebbi Eliezer - is that, whereas in principle, he holds like Raban
Gamliel, he does not want to differentiate between one town outside Eretz
Yisrael and another ('Lo P'lug' [Tosfos DH u'Mar]), so he requires even a
Sheli'ach who brings a Get from a town that is Muvlah to say 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... '.
(a) We conclude however, that both Rabah and Rava will explain all the
Tana'im like their own respective opinions. According to Rabah, the
reasoning of ...
1. ... the Tana Kama is - that any town that is close to Eretz Yisrael is
expert in 'Lishmah'.
(b) According to Rava, the reasoning of ...
2. ... Raban Gamliel concedes this by a town that is Muvlah be'Soch
ha'Techum, but not by one that is not (even though it is Samuch).
1. ... the Tana Kama is - that it is easy to find witnesses from any town
that is close to Eretz Yisrael.
(c) According to both Rabah and Rava - Rebbi Eliezer holds, in principle,
like Raban Gamliel, but he does not want to differentiate between towns
outside Eretz Yisrael, as we explained earlier.
2. ... Raban Gamliel - concedes this by a town that is Muvlah, but not by
one that is just Samuch.
(a) 'va'Chachamim Omrim Eino Tzarich she'Yomar be'Fanai Nichtav ... Ela
ha'Meivi mi'Medinas ha'Yam ve'ha'Molich'. The Tana Kama of our Mishnah
apparently holds - that 'Molich' is not required to say it.
(b) We initially attempt to explain their Machlokes - by connecting it to
that of Rabah and Rava. The Tana Kama holds like the opinion of Rabah (and
the B'nei Eretz Yisrael were experts in writing a Get Li'shmah); whereas the
Chachamim hold like the opinion of Rava (and the difficulty in finding
witnesses from one Medinah to another cuts both ways).
(c) We conclude however, that Rabah and Rava explain both opinions according
to their respective views. Consequently ...
1. ... Rabah explains that, according to the Chachamim, 'Molich' is required
to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' (despite the fact that the Sofrim in Eretz
Yisrael *are* expert in writing a Get Li'shmah) - because they decree
'Molich' on account of Meivi (where they are *not*).
2. ... Rava explains - that the Chachamim, who require 'Molich' to say
'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' - are not coming to argue with the Tana Kama (as
Rabah extrapolates), but to explain his words. Because, according to Rava,
the difficulty in finding witnesses from one Medinah to another, cuts both
ways, as we explained earlier.
(a) The Tana of our Mishnah obligates someone who brings a Get from one
Medinah to another in Chutz la'Aretz to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' -
from which we can extrapolate that from one place to another in the same
Medinah does not require 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ', a Kashya on Rabah, who
maintains that in Bavel they were not experts in Li'shmah.
(b) We answer this Kashya by changing the inference to - 'Ha mi'Medinah
li'Medinah be'Eretz Yisrael, Lo Tzarich' (but from one place to another in
the same Medinah does require 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ').
(c) In spite of the fact that the Tana has already specifically taught that
a Sheli'ach who brings a Get from one Medinah to another in Eretz Yisrael is
not required to make the declaration, the Tana needs to repeat it by means
of an inference - because otherwise, we would have thought that he only
validates a Get which a Sheli'ach brought that was not written in his
presence, but that Lechatchilah, he would be expected to be present when the
Get was written. It is the additional inference that teaches us that he is
not even required to be there Lechatchilah.
(a) In another version, we ask from the same Mishnah, not on Rabah, but on
Rava - by inverting the order of inferences. First, we presume to
extrapolate 'Ha mi'Medinah li'Medinah be'Eretz Yisrael, Eino Tzarich', a
Kashya on Rava who attributes 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' to 'Ein Eidim Metzuyim
Lekaymo', which is applicable from Medinah to Medinah in Eretz Yisrael no
less than in Chutz la'Aretz.
(b) Rava will reply that the inference is not 'mi'Medinah li'Medinah
be'Eretz Yisrael, Lo Tzarich', but 'be'Osah Medinah bi'Medinas ha'Yam, Lo
Tzarich'. In that case, 'mi'Medinah li'Medinah be'Eretz Yisrael' does need
to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '. The problem we have with this regarding
the original statement of our Mishnah ('ha'Meivi Get mi'Medinah li'Medinah
bi'Medinas ha'Yam') is - that seeing as there is no difference between
Medinas ha'Yam and Eretz Yisrael, why did the Tana add the words 'bi'Medinas
(c) We finally conclude that even Rava will concede that from Medinah to
Medinah in Eretz Yisrael, the Sheli'ach is not required to declare 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... '. The reason for this ...
1. ... in the time of the Beis Hamikdash is - because the Mitzvah of Aliyas
ha'Regel ensured that there were constantly people traveling to and fro, and
that consequently, witnesses were always available.
2. ... at other times is - because the fixed times that Beis-Din sat in
towns of Eretz Yisrael (like Ezra decreed) ensured that there were always
people traveling from town to town for judgment, so that witnesses were
(a) 'Raban Shimon ben Gamliel Omer, Afilu me'Hagmunya le'Hagmunya'. To
illustrate this, Rebbi Yitzchak cites an episode that took place in the town
of Asasiyun, which had two mayors in the same town - who forbade their
constituents to travel from one area to the other, bearing out Raban Shimon
ben Gamliel, who required 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ' even from one Hagmunya to
another in the same town.
(b) This is a proof for Rava (as we just explained) but a Kashya on Rabah -
because, since this took place in Eretz Yisrael, where they all experts in
li'Shmah, why did Raban Shimon ben Gamliel require 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '?
(c) Consequently, we are forced to change our presentation of the Machlokes
between Rabah and Rava to say - that Rabah agrees with Rava (that 'be'Fanai
Nichtav ... ' is required whenever the reason of 'Ein Eidim Metzuyin
Lekaymo' applies, only he adds the reason of 'Le'fi she'Ein Beki'in
Li'shmah', even when it does not (a reason with which Rava does not concur)?
(a) Rabah and Rava will no longer argue from one Medinah to another in Eretz
Yisrael - because if the two Medinos are Makpid (distrust each other) Rabah
agrees that they are required to declare 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... ', and if
they are not, Rava agrees that it is not necessary (due to the Batei-Dinim,
as we explained earlier).
(b) They argue in two cases, one of them, from one location to another in
the same Medinah) - and when two Sheluchim bring a Get. In both cases, Rabah
requires 'be'Fanai Nichtav' and Rava does not.