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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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CHULIN 122 (4 Sivan) - Dedicated by Rabbi Kornfeld's father, Mr. David
Kornfeld, in memory of the members of his family who perished at the hands
of the Nazi murderers in the Holocaust and whose Yahrzeit is observed
today: his mother (Mirel bas Yakov Mordechai), brothers (Shraga Feivel,
Aryeh Leib and Yisachar Dov, sons of Mordechai), grandfather (Reb Yakov
Mordechai ben Reb David [Shpira]) and aunt (Charne bas Yakov Mordechai
[wife of Reb Moshe Aryeh Cohen]).
1) DOES MEAT ON THE SKIN COMBINE?
(a) (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): Alal...(if a k'Zayis is gathered
in one place, it has Tum'as Neveilah; Rashi - also, one
who eats it is liable.)
2) HUMAN SKIN
(b) (Rav Huna): This is only if [the one who flayed the
animal] gathered them.
(c) (Rav Huna): If two pieces of meat are on the skin, each
is half a k'Zayis, the skin nullifies them (they are not
(d) Question: According to which Tana (in the Mishnah 124a)
is this teaching?
1. It is unlike R. Yishmael - he holds that the skin
does not nullify the meat!
(e) Answer #1: Really, he holds like R. Yishmael;
2. It cannot be like R. Akiva - he explicitly says that
the skin nullifies the meat (surely, Rav Huna did
not merely teach the Mishnah)!
1. R. Yishmael admits that the skin nullifies meat that
comes off the knife of one flaying the animal (since
he leaves the meat there); that Mishnah is when a
Chayah bit the animal, and some meat stuck to the
skin, no person nullified it.
(f) Objection (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If a k'Zayis of Alal is
gathered in one place, one is liable for it.
1. (Rav Huna): This is only if [the flayer] gathered
(g) Answer #2: Really, Rav Huna holds like R. Akiva.
2. If we would say that R. Yishmael holds that skin
does not nullify meat, even if the meat came off a
knife, then Rav Huna explains R. Yehudah like R.
3. Summation of objection: But if R. Yishmael admits
(to R. Akiva) that skin nullifies meat that comes
off a knife, R. Yehudah is not like either of these
two Tana'im! (They hold, it is Batel, even if he
will gather it, it is not Neveilah.)
(h) Question: If so, what is his Chidush?
(i) Answer: One might have thought, R. Akiva only said that
skin nullifies meat if it came off a knife;
1. Rav Huna teaches, R. Akiva says this even if it came
from a Chayah's bite.
i. We learn this from R. Akiva's choice of words -
he attributes the Bitul to the skin.
(a) (Mishnah): The following skins are [Tamei] like the
3) ANIMAL SKINS
1. Skin of man, domestic pigs, the hump of tender
(young) camels, the head of tender calves;
(b) Regarding all non-human skins, if it was tanned or
trampled enough for tanning, it is Tahor.
2. Regarding all animals, skin of the feet, womb, a
fetus, and under the tail;
3. Skin of an Anakah (this could be a porcupine,
hedgehog or beaver), praying mantis, lizard, and a
4. R. Yehudah also includes [the skin of] a wild pig,
but excludes a lizard, for it is like a rat (its
skin is not Tamei).
(c) R. Yochanan ben Nuri says, the skin of all eight Tamei
Sheratzim is Tahor.
(d) Version #1 (Gemara - Ula): Mid'oraisa, human skin is
Tahor; Chachamim decreed that is Tamei lest people make
mats from their parents' skin.
(e) Version #2 (Mishnah): Regarding all non-human skins, if
it was tanned or trampled enough for tanning, it is Tahor
(f) (Ula): Mid'oraisa, tanned human skin Tahor; Chachamim
decreed that it is Tamei lest people make mats from their
1. According to Version #1, Ula surely agrees that
tanned human skin is only Tamei mid'Rabanan.
2. According to Version #2, Ula holds that untanned
human skin is Tamei mid'Oraisa.
(a) (Mishnah): The skin of domestic pigs...
(b) Question: What do they argue about?
(c) Answer: R. Yehudah includes skin of a wild pig, because
he considers it to be soft; the first Tana holds that it
(d) (Mishnah): The hump of a tender camel...
(e) Question: How long is it considered tender?
(f) Answer (Ula citing R. Yehoshua ben Levi): It is tender as
long as it has not borne a burden.
(g) Question #1 (R. Yirmeyah): What if it is old enough to
bear a burden, but it has not done so?
(h) Question #2 (Abaye): What if it is not old enough to bear
a burden, but it did so?
1. These questions are unresolved.
(i) Reish Lakish did not know how long is it considered
tender. R. Yishmael bar Aba cited R. Yehoshua ben Levi's
answer; Reish Lakish showed his gratitude.
(j) R. Zeira did not know how long is it considered tender.
Ravin bar Chinena cited the above answer; he did not
think that R. Zeira heard him, so he repeated it. R.
Zeira scolded him for trying to show off his knowledge.
1. This shows the difference between great people of
Eretz Yisrael (Reish Lakish) and the most pious of
Bavel (R. Zeira).
(k) (Mishnah): The head of a tender calf...
(l) Question: How long is it considered tender?
(m) Answer #1 (Ula): It is tender for one year.
(n) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): It is tender as long as it is
(o) Question: Did Ula mean, one year provided that it is
nursing, and R. Yochanan responded, as long as it is
nursing (even past a year);
4) WHICH SKINS ARE LIKE FLESH
1. Or, did Ula mean one year even if it ceased nursing,
and R. Yochanan responded, one year, but only if it
is still nursing?
(p) Answer: R. Yochanan said "*as long as* it is nursing" (he
increases the time), not "provided that it is nursing"
(to diminish the time).
(a) Question (Reish Lakish): Does the skin of the head of a
tender calf impart Tum'ah?
5) THE TIME IT TAKES TO WALK A "PARSAH"
(b) Answer (R. Yochanan): It does not.
(c) Question (Reish Lakish): But you taught us the Mishnah,
the skin of the head of a tender calf is like the flesh!
(d) Answer (R. Yochanan): The Mishnah is like an individual,
the Halachah follows Chachamim.
1. (Beraisa): If an Olah was slaughtered with intention
to burn the skin under the tail in the wrong place
(i.e. not on the outer Mizbe'ach), the Korban is
Pasul, but one who eats it is not Chayav Kares;
(e) (Mishnah): Skin of the feet.
i. If he intended to burn it after the allotted
time (that day), the Korban is Pigul, one who
eats it is Chayav Kares.
2. Eliezer ben Yehudah says, Pasul and Pigul also apply
to (improper intent to eat or burn) skin of the
feet, skin of a tender calf's head, and skins that
are Tamei like the flesh;
i. This comes to include skin of the womb in a
3. (The first Tana does not include the head of a
tender calf, because he holds it is not like the
(f) Question: What is considered skin of the feet?
(g) Answer #1 (Rav): It includes only the skin of the feet
(up to the ankle).
(h) Answer #2 (R. Chanina): It includes all the skin up to
the [lower] knee.
(i) (Mishnah): The skin of an Anakah...
(j) (Beraisa): "Ha'Teme'im" - this includes the skins (of
Sheratzim, they are Tamei like the flesh).
1. Suggestion: Perhaps this applies to all eight
2. Rejection: "Eleh".
i. Question: "Eleh" refers to all of them!
ii. Answer (Rav): "L'Minehu (and others in this
species)" separates ("Eleh" only refers to what
is written after "l'Mineihu").
iii. Question: If so, the Mishnah should also list a
mole, for this is also after "l'Mineihu"!
iv. Answer (R. Shimon bar Yitzchak): Rav is
considered a Tana, he argues with the Mishnah
and includes mole.
v. Question: Why do Chachamim (the first Tana)
vi. Answer: They hold like R. Yehudah, who judges
by the feel of the skin (Rashi - to decide
which skins are like the flesh; Tosfos - to
decide to which skins "ha'Teme'im" refers).
vii. They argue with R. Yehudah about a lizard
(Chachamim say its skin is like flesh).
(a) (Mishnah): Any skins that were tanned...
(b) Inference: They are Tahor only if they were trampled on.
(c) Question (Beraisa - R. Chiya): If a donkey's ear was used
to patch a box, it is Tahor. (Rashi - similarly,
*placing* skins where they will be trampled should
suffice to be Metaher them! Tosfos - if our Tana agreed
to this, he should have taught this case, it is a bigger
(d) Answer: An ear need not be trampled to patch a box; for
other uses, trampling is required (Tosfos - both
Chidushim are equal).
(e) Question: What is considered "trampled enough for
(f) Answer (Rav Huna): It is the time to walk four Mil (one
Mil is 2000 Amos).