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Previous daf Chulin 107
CHULIN 107 (18 Iyar) - dedicated by Avi and Lily Berger of Queens, NY, in
memory of Lily's father, Mr. Benny Krieger (Chananel Benayahu ben Harav
Yisrael Avraham Aba), zt"l, after the passing of one year since his
Kevurah. Mr. Krieger exemplified Ahavas Chesed, Ahavas Torah and Ahavas
1) WASHING THE HANDS ONCE FOR THE WHOLE DAY
(a) (Rav): A man may wash his hands in the morning, and
stipulate that he will guard their Taharah the entire day
(so he can eat without washing again).
2) OTHER LAWS OF WASHING
(b) There was a certain valley in which water was scarce; R.
Avina allowed the residents to wash in the morning, and
stipulate that this will suffice for all meals they will
eat that day.
1. Version #1: He would only permit this in pressed
circumstances, unlike Rav (who always permits this).
2. Version #2: He always permits this, like Rav.
(a) (Rav Papa): One may not wash in an irrigation pipe (into
which water is poured from the river, and the pipe takes
it to the field), since the water does not come to his
hands from human impetus (rather, because of gravity);
3) A SUBSTITUTE FOR WASHING
1. One may wash (in the pipe) near the place into which
water is poured, since the impetus of the water is
primarily from the man who poured it.
(b) (Rava): A vessel with a hole that is Kones Mashkeh may
not be used to wash the hands (it is considered broken).
2. If there is a hole in the pipe that is Kones Mashkeh
(i.e. when the pipe is placed in water, water enters
through the hole) one may immerse his hands in the
pipe (if some water leaks back into the river),
since it is considered connected to the river.
(c) (Rava): A vessel with less than a Revi'is of water may
not be used to wash the hands.
(d) Contradiction: But Rava taught that a vessel that *cannot
hold* a Revi'is of water may not be used to wash the
hands - implying, if it holds a Revi'is, it may be used,
even if there is not a Revi'is of water in it!
(e) Answer: If one person is washing, there must be a Revi'is
of water in it; if two people wash, it suffices that
there was initially a Revi'is (when the first person
1. (Beraisa): From a Revi'is of water, one or two
people may wash their hands.
(f) Questions (Rav Sheshes, of Ameimar): Are you particular
about the Kli for washing (that it must be complete),
that the water has the appearance of water, and about the
quantity (a Revi'is)?
(g) Version #1 - Answer (Ameimar): We are concerned for all
(h) Version #2 - Answer (Ameimar): We are concerned for the
Kli and the appearance, but not about the quantity;
1. (Beraisa): From a Revi'is of water, one or two
people may wash their hands.
(i) Rejection: This is wrong - even the Beraisa requires a
Revi'is to start with.
(j) R. Yakov of Nahar Pekod and Rav Ashi made Kelim that hold
a Revi'is from which people could gauge their Kelim.
(k) (Rava): If one fixed a plug of a barrel (Rashi - gouged
it out so it holds a Revi'is; Tosfos - so it can stand on
its own), it may be used to wash the hands;
1. Leather water pouches may be used to wash the hands;
2. A bag or box, even if it holds a Revi'is, may not be
used to wash the hands (for normally they do not
(a) Question: May one eat with a cloth on his hands, without
1. Are we concerned that he will come to touch the
food, or not?
(b) Answer #1 (Beraisa): R. Tzadok was given (bread) less
than k'Beitzah (an egg's worth) to eat; he took it in a
cloth and ate it outside the Sukah; he did not bless
1. Inference: Had it been k'Beitzah, he would have
(c) Rejection: Perhaps, had it been k'Beitzah, he would have
eaten it in the Sukah and blessed afterwards, but he
still would not have washed!
(d) Answer #2: Shmuel found Rav eating with a cloth.
1. Shmuel: Is this permitted?
4) ONE WHO FEEDS ANOTHER
2. Rav: I washed - I eat with a cloth because I am
particular not to touch the food.
3. R. Zeira found R. Ami and R. Asi eating with cloths.
4. R. Zeira: Is it possible that two great Chachamim as
yourselves erred in the episode with Rav and Shmuel
- Rav had washed, he ate with a cloth because he is
i. R. Zeira did not know Rav Tachlifa's teaching,
that Terumah may be eaten with a cloth, but not
Tahor Chulin; R. Ami and R. Asi were Kohanim
(a) Question: If Reuven feeds Shimon, must Shimon wash?
5) SEPARATION BETWEEN MEAT AND MILK
(b) Answer #1: Rav Huna bar Sechorah fed Rav Hamnuna; he
said, 'If you were not such a Tzadik and Chacham, I would
not feed you.'
1. Suggestion: He would trust only someone as zealous
as Rav Hamnuna not to touch the food.
(c) Rejection: He would trust only someone as zealous as Rav
Hamnuna to wash beforehand.
(d) Answer #2 (Rav): One may not put bread in a waiter's
mouth unless he knows that he washed;
1. A waiter blesses before every cup of wine he
receives, but not on every slice of bread.
(e) Rejection: Perhaps only a waiter must wash - since he is
busy serving, he is likely to forget and touch the food.
2. (R. Yochanan): He blesses before every slice of
3. (Rav Papa): We can resolve the argument between Rav
and R. Yochanan - Rav discusses when an important
person is present (so the waiter knows he will get
as much bread as he needs), R. Yochanan discusses
when no important person is present (he is unsure if
he will get more);
4. (Culmination of answer): From Rav's first law (one
may not put bread in a waiter's mouth unless he
knows that he washed) we learn that one being fed
(f) (Beraisa): One may not give bread to a waiter, whether
the waiter or host is holding the cup, lest this will
cause problems (he will choke or spill the cup);
1. One may not put bread in the mouth of a waiter that
did not wash.
(g) Question: If Reuven feeds Shimon, must Reuven wash?
(h) Answer #1 (Beraisa - d'vei Menasheh): A woman may wash
one hand (on Yom Kipur) to feed bread to her child;
1. A case occurred, Shamai did not want to feed his
child with (even) one hand; Chachamim decreed that
he must feed him with both hands.
(i) Rejection (Abaye): That case is exceptional, it is
dangerous to feed a child without washing because of
Shivta (a damaging spirit).
(j) Answer #2: Shmuel's Rebbi hit him because Shmuel had
(without washing) fed his Rebbi's son.
1. Shmuel's father: Why didn't you wash?
2. Shmuel: If he is eating, why should I wash?!
3. Shmuel's father: Your Rebbi erred in the law, and
hit you for no reason.
4. The law is, the one eating must wash, the one
feeding him need not.
(a) (Mishnah): A man may wrap meat and cheese in the same
cloth, as long as they do not touch each other.
(b) R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, two lodgers may eat at the
same table, one meat and the other cheese, and we are not
(c) (Gemara) Question: Even if they touched, both are cold,
what is the concern?
(d) Answer (Abaye): Granted, there is no need to peel off the
areas of contact, but they must be rinsed!
(e) (Mishnah - R. Shimon ben Gamliel): Two lodgers may eat at
the same table....
(f) (R. Chanan bar Ami): This is only if they do not know
each other, but if they know each other, it is forbidden.
1. Support (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Gamliel): If a man
from the north and a man from the south lodged at
the same inn, they may eat at the same table, one
eating his cheese, the other eating his meat;
(g) Question (Rav Yemar bar Salmiya): If each of two brothers
does not allow the other to take his food, what is the
i. Version #1 (Rashi): We are concerned only if
the two foods are in one Tefisah (wrapped
ii. Objection: They may never be eaten thusly (the
law does not depend on being at the same
iii. Correction: Rather, we are only concerned that
they may be eaten *akin* to one Tefisah
(without any separation).
iv. Version #2 (Tosfos): We are concerned only if
the food is in one Tefisah (joint ownership).
v. Objection: Surely, if they know each other we
are concerned, even if each owns his own food!
vi. Correction: Rather, we are only concerned that
they may be eaten *akin* to one Tefisah (they
know each other).
(h) Answer (Abaye): (Baisus was a baker, he had a mold to
design dough without delay.) We do not want that people
should say, Baisus may make specially designed Matzah,
but no one else (lest he will tarry, and it will become
Chametz - likewise, we do not want to distinguish among
brothers, all are forbidden).
(i) Objection: We are not concerned for this elsewhere!
1. (R. Asi): One who has only one undershirt is allowed
to launder it during Chol ha'Mo'ed.
(j) Answer (Mar bar Rav Ashi): In that case there is no
concern; all realize that he has no other shirt because
he washes its belt with it (or girds the belt over his
Maktoren while washing the shirt, because he does not
have another shirt).