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1) EXEMPTIONS FROM "KISUY"
(a) Question: According to Version #2, why didn't he say to
make it Treifah and then slaughter it?
2) THE MERIT OF TZADIKIM
1. Suggestion: Rebbi holds that invalid slaughter is
(b) Answer: Rebbi taught a bigger Chidush.
2. Rejection (R. Chiya bar Aba): Regarding Kisuy
ha'Dam, Rebbi does not consider invalid slaughter to
be slaughter, so the Mishnah attributes this opinion
1. Had he said to make it Treifah, one might have
thought that a slaughtered Treifah is exempt from
Kisuy, for Pasul slaughter is not slaughter, but one
must cover Dam Nechirah (because the Torah does not
require slaughter of birds, Nechirah suffices);
2. Rebbi teaches, this is not so - "As I commanded
(a) Question: How could a moth fall in R. Chiya's flax?!
3) SLAUGHTER BY A DEAF PERSON, LUNATIC OR MINOR
1. (Ravin bar Aba): Ominous signs plagued Eretz Yisrael
after the Churban - shooting stars, earthquakes,
raging winds, thunder, spoiling of wine, flax being
(b) Answer: Their merit helps the rest of the world, not
2. These ended after Tzadikim came to Eretz Yisrael;
3. Rabanan attributed this to R. Chiya and his sons.
1. (Rav Yehudah): Every day, a voice from Heaven
announces that the entire world is fed in the merit
of R. Chanina ben Dosa, and (some explain - because)
R. Chanina subsists on one Kav of dates for an
(a) (Mishnah): If a Cheresh, Shoteh or Katan slaughtered
while others looked on, the onlookers must cover the
1. If he slaughtered unsupervised, Kisuy need not be
(b) Similarly, if a Cheresh, Shoteh or Katan slaughtered
while others looked on, the mother or child of the animal
may not be slaughtered that same day;
(c) If he slaughtered unsupervised:
1. R. Meir permits slaughtering the mother or child the
same day, Chachamim forbid this;
(d) (Gemara) Question: Why do Chachamim argue only in the
2. Chachamim agree that if one slaughtered the mother
or child, he is not lashed.
(e) Answer #1: In the Reisha, if we obligate people to cover
the blood, people will think that the slaughter was
valid, they might come to eat the meat.
1. Question: The same concern applies in the Seifa -
since it is forbidden to slaughter the mother or
child the same day, people will think that the first
slaughter was valid!
(f) Answer #2: Indeed, Chachamim argue also in the Reisha;
they allowed R. Meir to teach both cases before they
argued with on him.
2. Answer: No, people will think that the owner of the
mother or child did not want to eat meat that day.
3. Question: Likewise, we could obligate onlookers to
cover the blood, and observers will think that the
person just wants to clean the courtyard!
4. Answer #1: If the blood is in the wasteheap, people
will know it is being covered for the Mitzvah (they
will assume that the slaughter was valid)!
5. Answer #2: If one asks whether he should cover the
blood (and is tol 'Yes'), he will think that the
slaughter was valid!
6. Objection: The same applies to Oso v'Es Beno - one
who asks whether he may slaughter the mother or
child will think that the first slaughter was valid!
(g) Question: We understand, Chachamim are stringent in both
cases (because they are unsure);
1. What is R. Meir's reason?
(h) Question (Rav Papa): Why must we say that they ruin most
slaughters - even if they ruin a minority, R. Meir is
concerned for a minority!
2. Answer (R. Yakov): R. Meir considers the slaughter
of a Cheresh, Shoteh or Katan to be Nevelah.
3. Question: Why is this?
4. Answer: Most of the time, they slaughter improperly.
1. We would join the minority of Pasul slaughters to
the Chazakah that the animal is forbidden (Rashi -
Ever Min ha'Chai; Tosfos - it *was* not slaughtered,
perhaps it still has not had proper slaughter), and
we can no longer rely on the majority of valid
2. (Mishnah - R. Meir): If a child is next to a dough,
holding a piece of dough, the (big) dough is Tahor;
i. Chachamim say it is Tamei, because most young
children play and touch (Rashi - in the
wasteheap, they become Teme'im from Sheratzim;
surely, the child touched the dough to take a
piece. Tosfos - all children are (Muchzakim to
be) Teme'im (Nidos hug them), most play with
dough, he probably touched it himself, we do
not rely on the minority chance that a Tahor
person gave a piece to him.)
3. Question: What is R. Meir's reason?
4. Answer: Most children touch, a minority do not; the
dough has Chezkas Taharah;
4) ONE COVERING FOR MANY SLAUGHTERS
(i) Answer: R. Meir is concerned for a minority regarding
Tum'ah, but he never said this to permit an Isur!
i. We combine the minority of children that don't
touch with the Chazakah, this weakens the
majority that touch. (We are left with a doubt
- this is a case of Ein Da'as Lish'ol (we
cannot ask the child what happened, for he is
too young), it is Tahor even in Reshus
(j) Rebbi ruled like R. Meir; on another occasion, he ruled
(k) Question: Which of these rulings came last (was his final
(l) Answer: R. Elazar said that Rebbi ruled like R. Meir.
1. Question: But he also ruled like Chachamim!
2. Answer: R. Elazar only cited the ruling like R.
Meir, for he knew that it was last.
(a) (Mishnah): If a man slaughtered 100 Chayos or 100 birds
in one place, one Kisuy suffices for all of them;
(b) If he slaughtered a Chayah and bird in one place, he may
cover them together;
(c) R. Yehudah says, he must cover the Chayah's blood before
he slaughters the bird.
(d) (Gemara - Beraisa): "Chayah" denotes one animal or many;
1. From this we learn that one Kisuy suffices for many
Chayos or birds;
(e) (R. Chanina): R. Yehudah agrees that one blessing
suffices for Chayos and birds.
2. R. Yehudah says, he must cover the Chayah's blood
before he slaughters the bird - we learn this from
"Chayah *O* Of".
3. Chachamim: But it says, "The soul of all life is in
4. Question: What kind of response is this to R.
5. Answer: (The Beraisa is abbreviated); Chachamim
first responded - "*O*" is needed to divide (Kisuy
is required even if only a Chayah *or* bird is
i. R. Yehudah: It says "*Its* blood", to teach
that the blood of even one of them must be
ii. Chachamim: "Its blood" can connote the blood of
more than one animal - "The soul of all life is
in its blood".
(f) Question (Ravina): Why is this different than the
1. Rav Bruna and Rav Chananel were eating; they asked
Rav Yeiva Sava (who was serving them) to bring the
wine for Birkas ha'Mazon. They reconsidered, and
asked him to bring wine to drink.
(g) Answer (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): The cases are different!
2. Rav Yeiva: Rav taught, once one says 'Let us bless',
he may not drink anymore (without blessing.)
i. Here also, once you cover the blood of the
Chayah, another blessing is needed for Kisuy of
whatever else you will slaughter!
1. One cannot drink while blessing, so intention to
bless is an interruption;
2. One can slaughter and cover blood at the same time
(with different hands), so covering is not an