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Previous daf Chulin 62
CHULIN 61-63 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
1) HOW TO KNOW THAT A BIRD IS "TAHOR"
(a) (Rav Nachman): If one who recognizes the Tamei species
finds a bird that has a Siman (and knows it is not from
the Tamei species), it is permitted;
2) SPECIES OF "TORIM" AND DOVES
(b) One who does not that recognize the Tamei species:
1. If the bird has one Siman, he may not eat it;
(c) (Ameimar): The law is, if a bird has a Siman, it is
assumed to be Tahor, like long like we do not see it
Dores (Rashi; Tosfos - if the Siman is that it is not
2. If it has two Simanim and he knows that it is not a
raven, it is permitted.
3. Question: Are we concerned only for ravens?!
i. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): "The raven, l'Minehu
(and its related species)" - this includes the
Zarzir (starling); it also includes the white
4. Answer: Rather, he must know that it is not a raven,
nor a related species.
ii. Chachamim: But people of Timrasa eat Zarzir,
because it has a crop; and people of Galil eat
white Sanunis, because its stomach can be
iii. R. Eliezer: They will ultimately be punished
(d) Rav Ashi: This argues with Rav Nachman!
(e) Ameimar: Yes! The only Tamei species that is not Dores is
Peres or Ozniyah - these are not found in settled areas,
we are not concerned for it.
(f) (Rav Yehudah): A bird that scratches - this is the white
Sanunis that R. Eliezer and Chachamim argued on; it may
be used for Taharas Metzora.
(g) Version #1 (Ameimar): If the stomach is white, all agree
that it is permitted;
1. They argue when the stomach is green - R. Eliezer
forbids, Chachamim permit; the Halachah follows R.
(h) Version #2 (Mar Zutra): If the stomach is green, all
agree that it is forbidden;
1. They argue when the stomach is white - R. Eliezer
forbids, Chachamim permit; the Halachah follows
Chachamim. (End of Version #2)
(i) According to Mar Zutra, they argue when the stomach is
white - we understand R. Eliezer in the Beraisa, "The
raven, l'Mino" - this includes the white Sanunis.
(j) Question: According to Ameimar, all agree that if the
stomach is white, it is permitted - what does R. Eliezer
forbid in the Beraisa?
(k) Answer: He forbids it when the stomach is red;
1. He calls it white to show that he does not refer to
the species that dwells in houses, which is black
(R. Gershom - all forbid that species.)
(a) (Rachbah): *Tasil* is a species of dove, it is not a Tor
(therefore, it is acceptable for a Korban only when it is
1. Atzifi and Torim of Rachbah (kinds of turtle-doves)
are species of Torim, not of doves (they are
acceptable for Korbanos only when they are old.)
(b) Question (Rav Daniel bar Rav Katina - Mishnah): Any bird
that drinks from Mei Chatas (water Mekudash with ashes of
the Parah Adumah) disqualifies it, except for a dove,
since doves suck the water (and do not return it.)
3) OTHER SPECIES
1. If Tasil is also a species of dove, the Mishnah
should also mention that Tasil does not disqualify
(c) Answer (R. Zeira): Tasil sucks the water and returns it
(disqualifying the rest); doves suck the water and do not
(d) (Rav Yehudah): Kufshani (turtle-doves) of Tzutzaini are
the Torim of Rachbah; they are valid for Korbanos.
(e) Question (Mishnah): "Hyssop" (may be used for the Parah
Adumah), not the following hyssops:
1. Of Yavan; blue hyssop (Aruch; Rambam - hyssop of
Kuchli); of Romi; wild hyssop; any hyssop with an
accompanying name. (Likewise, Torim of Rachbah
should be invalid!)
(f) Answer #1 (Abaye): An accompanying name only disqualifies
if that name existed when the Torah was given.
1. By specifying the generic name, the Torah
disqualified all other varieties.
(g) Answer #2 (Rava): In Tzutzaini, Kufshani of Tzutzaini are
simply called Torim.
2. The other name for Torim arose after the Torah was
(a) (Rav Yehudah): Karzei (Rashi - locusts; Tosfos - very
small birds) found in nettles (a small plant) are
permitted; those found in cabbage are forbidden.
(b) (Ravina): If one eats the latter he is lashed, for they
are Sheretz ha'Of (flying swarming creatures.)
(c) (Rav Yehudah): Tzarda is permitted; Barda is forbidden;
Marda is doubtful. (These are types of birds.)
(d) (Rav Asi): We are in doubt about eight birds - Chuva,
Chuga, Suga, Harnuga, Tushlami, Marda, Kuchilna, and Bar
Nafcha. (A possible translation of them, in order -
Baillon's crake, spotted crake, a type of Chuva, corn
orake, water rail, purple gallinula, a bird similar to
1. One Siman is that the stomach can be peeled - in
these birds, it can be peeled only with a knife, not
(e) (Abaye): Marda (one of the eight doubtful birds) is the
rooster of the swamp.
2. Question: But Shmuel had a (dead) goose whose
stomach could not be peeled; after it was in the sun
for a while, it could be peeled! (Even though the
stomach is too hard to be peeled, this is not a
Siman of Tum'ah!)
3. Answer: In these birds, even after the stomach
softens, it cannot be peeled by hand.
(f) (Rav Papa): The rooster of the swamp is forbidden; the
hen of the swamp (a different species) is permitted.
(g) (Mereimar): Chachamim subsequently saw the hen of the
swamp Dores; they forbade it.
(h) (The identity of many of the following birds is unclear.)
(i) (Rav): Shevor Andrafta is permitted; Piruz Andrafta is
(j) (Rav Huna): Bunya is permitted; Parva is forbidden.
(k) (Rav Papa): Mardu Zagid v'Achil is permitted; Sagid
v'Achil is forbidden.
(l) (Shmuel): Shasya Chamra and Mazga Chamra are forbidden;
bas Mazga Chamra is permitted.
(m) (Rav Yehudah): A red flamingo with long legs is
permitted; if it has short legs, it is forbidden.