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Previous daf Chulin 33
CHULIN 32-33 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi
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1) THE CONSEQUENCES OF CUTTING THE "SIMANIM"
(a) Version #1 - Rashi - Rejection (Rav Acha bar Yakov): This
is no proof that R. Zeira retracted - perhaps, he asked
his question according to Rava, even though he personally
holds that the animal is Kosher no matter where the wound
2) BLOODLESS SLAUGHTER
(b) Version #2 - Tosfos - Rejection (Rav Acha bar Yakov):
This is no proof that R. Zeira retracted - perhaps he
objected to an inconsistency in Rava's opinion!
1. I (R. Zeira) hold that no matter where the wound is,
the animal becomes Treifah. If you hold that a wound
in the lungs does not make it Treifah, you should
say the same regarding a wound in the intestines!
(End of Version #2)
(c) (Rav Acha bar Yakov): We may derive from Reish Lakish's
law that a Yisrael may eat intestines, but a Nochri may
1. This is because for a Yisrael, the slaughter is
necessary to permit the animal;
(d) (Rav Papa): I thought to ask, that we never find
something permitted to a Yisrael and forbidden to a
2. Slaughter is not needed for a Nochri, it only
matters if the animal is dead. (Once the Veshet is
cut, we view the intestines as if they were
removed). Therefore, for him, the intestines are
forbidden, like Basar Min ha'Chai (meat taken from a
living animal), even after the animal later dies.
1. I did not ask, for Rav Acha gave a good reason why
this is an exception.
(e) Question (Beraisa): There is a way to eat meat *taken*
from an animal before it died. After slaughter, cut a
piece from the place of slaughter, salt it well and rinse
it well; it is permitted *after* the animal dies, to
Yisraelim and Nochrim.
(f) This Beraisa supports Rav Idi.
1. (Rav Idi bar Avin): It is very healthy to eat meat
taken from an animal before it died. One cuts a
piece from the place of slaughter, salts and rinses
it well; after the animal dies it is permitted to
Yisraelim and Nochrim.
(a) (Mishnah): An animal, wild animal or bird was
slaughtered, and no blood came out. It may be eaten with
Tamei hands, since the meat was not Huchshar (no liquid
come upon it);
(b) R. Shimon says, slaughter is Machshir the meat.
(c) (Gemara) Question: We infer, if blood came out, it would
be forbidden to eat it with Tamei hands - why is this?
1. Tamei hands are only a Sheni l'Tumah (second-degree
Tumah), they would not make the meat Tamei, for
Chulin cannot become a Shelishi l'Tumah!
(d) Answer #1 (Rav Nachman): The Mishnah speaks of Chulin
meat bought with money of Ma'aser Sheni; the Tana argues
with R. Meir.
2. Question: How do we know that the Mishnah discusses
3. Answer #1: The Mishnah includes Chayos, which cannot
4. Answer #2: Regarding Kodshim, we would not say they
are Kosher if no blood came out - the blood must be
put on the Mizbe'ach!
5. Answer #3: Regarding Kodshim, even if blood came
out, it is not Machshir.
i. (R. Chiya bar Aba): "You will spill (the blood)
on the ground like water" - only blood which is
spilled like water is Machshir (to exclude
blood of Kodshim, which is collected and thrown
on the Mizbe'ach).
6. Answer #4: Regarding Kodshim, Chibas ha'Kodesh (a
stringency of Kodshim) is Machshir the meat without
3) "TUM'AH" OF HANDS
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir): Anyone that must immerse
(e) Objection (Rav Simi bar Ashi): Chachamim only forbid him
to *eat* Ma'aser Sheni, they do not say that he may not
i. If he touches Kodshim, it becomes Tamei (if it
touches other Kodshim, it disqualifies them);
if he touches Terumah, it is Pasul (itself
Tamei, but unable to disqualify other Terumah);
Ma'aser Sheni is permitted to him;
2. Chachamim say, Ma'aser Sheni is forbidden to him.
1. The Mishnah says, the meat may be *eaten* with (i.e.
using) Tamei hands - the case is, one with Tamei
hands feeds it to a Tahor person! (Even Chachamim
would permit this regarding Ma'aser Sheni, even if
it was Huchshar.)
(a) Answer #2 (Rav Papa): The Mishnah discusses hands that
are Rishon (first degree) l'Tumah, according to R. Shimon
4) "CHULIN" TREATED LIKE "KODESH"
1. (Beraisa): Hands are never Rishon l'Tumah regarding
2. R. Shimon ben Elazar says, they can be Rishon
l'Tumah regarding Chulin, and Sheni l'Tum'ah
i. Question: It cannot be that they become Rishon
l'Tumah regarding Chulin, but not regarding
3. Question: Can hands really become Rishon l'Tumah?
ii. Answer: He means, they can become Rishon
l'Tumah even regarding Chulin; they can become
Sheni l'Tum'ah regarding Terumah, but not for
4. Answer: Yes!
i. (Beraisa - R. Akiva): If one entered his hands
into a house stricken with Tzara'as, they
become Rishon l'Tumah;
5. Question: Why didn't Rav Papa say that the Mishnah
is R. Akiva?
ii. Chachamim say, they become Sheni l'Tumah.
iii. All agree that partially entering is not
considered entering - R. Akiva decrees that the
hands are like the body would be if (the
majority of) the body entered; Chachamim decree
that his hands become like regular unguarded
6. Answer: R. Akiva only said that they are a Rishon
l'Tumah regarding Terumah, perhaps he does not say
so regarding Chulin.
7. Question: Even if R. Akiva says that they are only a
Sheni l'Tumah regarding Chulin, he holds that they
are Metamei the meat, for he holds that Chulin can
become a Shelishi l'Tumah!
i. (Mishnah): On that day (that R. Eliezer ben
Azaryah was appointed Nasi), R. Akiva
expounded: "Any earthenware vessel...Yitma
(food inside becomes Tamei)".
8. Answer: Perhaps he only said this regarding
mid'Oraisa Tum'ah, not for Tum'ah mid'Rabanan.
ii. It does not say 'Tamei', rather "Yitma", to
show that (a loaf inside, which is a Sheni) can
Metamei other food (make a Shelishi).
(a) Answer #3 (R. Elazar): The Mishnah discusses Chulin *Al
Taharas* (i.e. which one guards from Tum'ah like) Kodesh,
it is not like R. Yehoshua.
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): If one eats food which is a
Rishon, Sheni or Shelishi l'Tumah, he becomes Tamei
like the food he ate;
2. R. Yehoshua says, if he ate a Rishon or Sheni, he
becomes a Sheni; if he ate a Shelishi, he becomes a
Sheni regarding Kodesh, but not regarding Terumah.
i. The Shelishi he ate is Chulin Al Taharas
3. Inference: R. Yehoshua discusses Chulin Al Taharas
Terumah, but not Chulin Al Taharas Kodesh, for the
latter cannot become a Shelishi.