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CHULIN 14-15 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs.
Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb
Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the
merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his
Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.
1) SLAUGHTER ON SHABBOS
(a) (Mishnah): If one slaughters on Shabbos or Yom Kipur,
even though he is Chayav Misah, the slaughter is Kosher.
(b) (Gemara - Rav): The meat may not be eaten that same day.
(c) (Rabanan): The Mishnah is like R. Yehudah.
(d) Question: Like which teaching of R. Yehudah is the
(e) Answer #1 (R. Aba): It is like his teaching that food for
Shabbos must be prepared before Shabbos.
1. (Mishnah): We may cut gourds in front of animals,
and a carcass in front of dogs (on Shabbos);
(f) Question (Abaye): The cases are different!
2. R. Yehudah says, if the animal was not dead when
Shabbos began, we may not cut the carcass, since it
was not prepared.
i. Since it was not prepared from before Shabbos,
it is forbidden; also in our Mishnah, the
animal was not prepared.
1. In that Mishnah, when Shabbos began, the animal was
destined for people (to eat); after it died, it
became destined for animal consumption;
(g) Answer (R. Aba): A live animal is not destined for
people, rather to have offspring!
2. In our Mishnah, the animal was destined for people
when Shabbos began, and also after it was
(h) Question (Abaye): If so, why does R. Yehudah permit
slaughtering animals on Yom Tov?
(i) Correction (R. Aba): A live animal is destined for people
or to have offspring.
1. If it is slaughtered, this clarifies that is was
destined for people; if it is not slaughtered, this
shows that it was standing to have offspring.
(j) Question: R. Yehudah does not rely on Breirah (to say
that that later events can retroactively clarify things)!
1. Question: How do we know that R. Yehudah does not
rely on Breirah?
2. Suggestion: We learn from the following Beraisa.
i. (Beraisa - R. Meir): If one buys wine from
Kusim (and cannot separate Ma'aseros before
drinking) he says 'The two Lugim that I will
later separate (to be Terumah) are Terumah; the
10 Lugim (that I will separate) are Ma'aser
Rishon; the nine Lugim are Ma'aser Sheni.' He
(Rashi - redeems the Ma'aser Sheni and) may
ii. R. Yehudah, R. Yosi and R. Shimon say, he must
separate the Ma'aseros before drinking.
2) THE MEAT IS "NOLAD"
3. Rejection: Normally, R. Yehudah relies on Breirah;
there, there is a reason he does not rely on
i. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah, R. Yosi and R. Shimon,
to R. Meir): Aren't you concerned that the
barrel will break (and he will never separate
4. Answer (to Question 1): Rather, we learn from the
ii. R. Meir: Until it breaks, we are not concerned.
i. (Beraisa - Ayo): R. Yehudah says, a person
cannot make an Eiruv in two places on condition
(i.e. if a Chacham comes in the west, and
another in the east, I will decide which Eiruv
should be valid);
ii. He can say, if a Chacham comes in the west, my
Eiruv is in the west; if he comes in the east,
my Eiruv is in the east.
iii. Objection: He cannot make an Eiruv in two
places on condition because we do not rely on
Breirah - for the same reason, also the latter
case (when one Chacham comes) should not work!
iv. (R. Yochanan): The case is, the Chachamim
already came (before he stipulated; since it is
already determined which Eiruv is valid (even
though the man does not know which), this does
not require Breirah.
(a) Answer #2 (to question 1:d - Rav Yosef): The Mishnah is
like R. Yehudah's teaching regarding vessels.
3) "MUKTZAH" BECAUSE OF A PROHIBITION
1. (Mishnah): If a vessel may be moved on Shabbos, and
a piece broke off, the piece may be moved only if it
has a use;
(b) Objection (Abaye): The cases are different! There, it was
a vessel and now it is a fragment; here, it was a food,
and is still a food, (Rashba - even when there is no
permitted way to cause the change,) R. Yehudah permits
i. For example, a piece of a kneading trough may
be used to cover a barrel, a piece of glass may
be used to cover a flask;
2. R. Yehudah says, the piece must have a use similar
to its original usage.
i. For example, if a piece of a kneading trough
can hold porridge, or a piece of glass can hold
oil, they may be moved;
3. (Culmination of answer): The same applies to an
animal slaughtered on Shabbos (it was not fit to be
eaten when Shabbos began, it is Nolad)!
ii. If they are fitting only for unrelated uses,
since they were not prepared for the new task
when Shabbos began, they are Nolad, they may
not be moved.
1. (Mishnah): We may not squeeze fruit on Shabbos to
extract the juice; if the juice came out by itself,
it is forbidden (on Shabbos);
(c) Answer: Shmuel taught, R. Yehudah admits regarding olives
and grapes (that what flows from them is forbidden, even
if he planned to eat them).
2. R. Yehudah says, if the owner planned to eat the
fruit, what flows from it is permitted; if he
planned to extract the juice, what flows from it is
1. This is because people normally squeeze them, he is
happy that liquid flows from them, (if we permit the
juice) he may come to squeeze them (on Shabbos);
(d) Rejection: Rav Yosef came to answer how Rav understands
the Mishnah like R. Yehudah - Rav holds that R. Yehudah
argues even regarding olives and grapes!
2. Similarly, a person plans to slaughter an animal, we
should forbid the meat if it is slaughtered, so he
will not come to slaughter!
(a) Answer #3 (to question 1:d - Rav Sheshes brei d'Rav Idi):
The Mishnah is like R. Yehudah's opinion regarding lamps.
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): On Shabbos, we may move a
new lamp (one that has not yet been used), but not a
(b) Objection: This shows that R. Yehudah prohibits something
that is Muktzah because a person is disgusted by it (a
used earthenware lamp) - we have no source that he
forbids something Muktzah (even when it has a permitted
use) because it was forbidden to move it when Shabbos
(c) Answer: We do have a source!
1. (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): We may move any metal lamp
(even used ones are not disgusting), except one that
was lit when Shabbos began.
(d) Rejection: There, by lighting the lamp before Shabbos
began, his actions prove that he does not intend to move
it - we cannot learn to an animal that was slaughtered,
he did nothing to forbid the animal!