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Previous daf Chagigah 9
CHAGIGAH 9 & 10 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah
in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
1) MISHNAH: "TASHLUMIN" FOR ONE WHO MISSED BRINGING THE KORBAN
ON THE FESTIVAL
(a) One who did not bring the Chagigah on the first day of Yom
Tov (Sukos), may bring it any remaining day of the festival.
2) THE SOURCE FOR THE "TASHLUMIN" OF THE FESTIVAL KORBANOS
(b) He may even bring it on the last day (Shemini Atzeres).
(c) If the festival passed and he did not bring the Korban
Chagigah, he is not responsible to make up for it.
1. Such a case is called, "A crooked thing cannot be fixed,
and what is missing cannot be numbered" (Koheles 1:15).
2. (R. Shimon b. Menasya) This verse refers to a person who
had immoral relations and begot a Mamzer.
3. A thief, though, can return what he stole and fix his sin.
4. (R. Shimon b. Yochai) One who became "crooked" refers only
to one who was straight to begin with and then became
crooked; this refers to a Talmid Chacham who left the Torah.
(a) (R. Yochanan) There is a Gezeirah Shaveh from the word
"Atzeres" (written regarding the seventh day of Pesach) to the
word "Atzeres" (written regarding Shemini Atzeres), teaching
that Shemini Atzeres is part of Sukos with regard to bringing
the Korban Chagigah.
3) THE NATURE OF "TASHLUMIN"
(b) (Tana of Beraisa) Tashlumin is learned from the verse,
"Celebrate it... seven days in the year... in the seventh
month shall you celebrate it" (Vayikra 23:41).
1. "It" teaches that the obligation to bring the Korban
Chagigah applies only on the first day of Yom Tov.
2. "Seven days" teaches that if one failed to bring the
Korban on the first day, he may make up for it on the
remaining days of the festival.
3. "In the seventh month" teaches that if one failed to bring
the Korban on the seven days of Sukos, he may bring it on
(a) (R. Yochanan) All of the remaining days are Tashlumin for the
first day (they have no independent obligation of a Korban).
(b) (R. Oshiya) All of the remaining days are Tashlumin for
themselves (each day has an independent obligation if the
Korban was not brought on the first day).
(c) Question: What is the difference between these two opinions?
(d) Answer: One who was lame on the first day, and became well on
1. According to R. Yochanan, he is not obligated to bring a
Korban on the second day, since he was not obligated on
the first day (and the remaining days do not have their
(e) Question: How can R. Yochanan say that if one was exempt on
the first day, there is no Tashlumin?
2. According to R. Oshiya, he is obligated to bring a Korban
on the second day (since each day has its own independent
obligation, if a Korban was not brought the first day).
1. We find that R. Yochanan holds that even though one is
unable to bring a Korban, there is still Tashlumin for it
(in the case of a Nazir who became Tamei on the night (a
time when one is exempt from bringing a Korban) of the
eighth day of his purification process for a previous
2. We cannot answer that Tum'ah is different and that an
exemption from a Korban because of Tum'ah *does* have
Tashlumin, as is proved from Pesach Sheni, because there
is an opinion that holds that Pesach Sheni is an independant
festival and is *not* Tashlumin for Pesach Rishon.
(f) Answer: R. Yochanan holds that nighttime is not an unfit time
to bring a Korban (and thus the Nazir who became Tamei at night
was actually *Chayav* already to bring Korbanos for his first
Tum'ah, and it is not because of Tashlumin).
4) "WHAT IS MISSING CANNOT BE COUNTED" (KOHELES 1:15)
1. Question: In the case of a Zav who had two flows on the
night after the seventh day of his purification process,
and then had one flow the next day, R. Yochanan says he is
exempt from bringing a second Korban for this second Tum'ah.
2. If R. Yochanan holds that nighttime is not an unfit time to
bring a Korban, then the Zav should be Chayav to bring
another Korban for this second Tum'ah!
3. Answer: R. Yochanan said that the Zav is exempt only
according to the opinion that holds nighttime is an unfit
time to bring a Korban.
4. R. Yochanan's intention was to refute the view of Rav Shisha
(in Kerisus), who holds that if any of the flows were in a
time of Petur, they do not combine to make three flows.
(a) (Bar Hi-Hi) Question: Why does it say "cannot be counted" and
not "cannot be filled?"
5) THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO TYPES OF TZADIKIM
(b) Answer: This refers to one did not join his friends (to "be
counted" with them) in the performance of a Mitzvah.
(c) (Bar Hi-Hi) Question: "... And you shall see [the difference]
between a Tzadik and a Rasha, and between one who serves G-d and
one who does not serve Him" (Malachi 3:18) -- the difference
between a Tzadik and a Rasha is the same as the difference
between "one who serves G-d" and "one who does not!"
6) THE MOST FITTING ATTRIBUTE FOR THE JEW
(d) (Hillel) Answer: The "one who serves Him" and the "one who does
not serve Him" are both complete Tzadikim, but there is a great
difference between one who has reviewed his learning 100 times
to one who has reviewed it 101 times.
(e) Question: Because of one less review, he is called "one who
does not serve Him?!"
(f) Answer: Yes, it is like a donkey driver whose rate is 1 Zuz to
drive 10 Parsi'im, who charges 2 Zuz to drive 11 Parsi'im.
(a) (Eliyahu) The verse says, "I have forged you, but not with
silver; I have chosen you with the furnace of poverty"
7) "A CROOKED THING CANNOT BE FIXED" (KOHELES 1:15).
(b) This teaches that Hashem reviewed all of the good Midos to
give to the Jewish people, and found only poverty.
(c) (Shmuel) This is why people say, "So fitting is poverty for the
Jew, like a red strap on a white horse."
(a) (R. Shimon b. Menasya, in the Mishnah) This verse refers to a
person who had immoral relations and begot a Mamzer.
(b) Question: Only if he had a Mamzer, it is "a crooked thing
cannot be fixed?"
1. But R. Shimon b. Menasya said (in a Beraisa) that this
also applies to one who had relations with a married woman
(even though she bore no children from the immoral union)!
(c) Answer: The Mishnah and Beraisa are referring to two different
1. The Mishnah is referring to an unmarried, forbidden
relation (where a lasting sign of the sin is only if a
Mazmer is born of the union).
(d) Second answer: Both the Mishnah and Beraisa are referring to a
2. The Beraisa is referring to a married woman (where there
is a lasting sign without a Mamzer, since the woman
becomes forbidden to her husband and must be divorced).
1. The Mishnah is referring to a case of rape (where the woman
remains permitted to her husband, and a lasting sign of the
sin is only if a Mazmer is born of the union).
2. The Beraisa is referring to a case of willful transgression
(where the woman becomes forbidden to her husband).