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Bava Metzia 109

BAVA METZIA 109-110 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) The Tana of our Mishnah forbids someone who is Mekabel a field for only a few years, to plant flax.
What does he mean by 'a few years'? What is the reason for this ruling?

(b) Why can the Tana only be speaking about Chakirus and not Kablanus?

(c) The Tana also forbids him to take 'be'Koros ha'Shikmah'.
What does this mean? Why does the Tana forbid it?

(d) What will the Din be if he received the field for seven years?

(a) According to Abaye, even though, in the Reisha, the Mekabel cannot cut off the branches for beams, he does receive 'Sh'vach Shikmah'.
What is 'Sh'vach Shikmah'?

(b) What does Rava say?

(c) The Tana of a Beraisa states with regard to a Mekabel who leaves the field - 'Shamin Lo'.
How will Rava explain this? If not the Sh'vach Shikmah, what is there to assess?

(d) Why do we need to assess the vegetables and beets? Why can the Mekabel not just take them when he goes?

(a) We learned in another Beraisa 'ha'Lokei'ach Sadeh me'Chaveiro ve'Higi'a Shevi'is, Shamin Lo'.
Why do we amend the Beraisa from 'Shevi'is' to 'Yovel'?

(b) We also amend 'ha'Lokei'ach' to 'ha'Mekabel', because even Yovel only negates a sale but not Kablanus.
Why is that?

(c) Why can the assessment there not now refer to vegetables and beets?

(d) How did Abaye then reconcile the Beraisa with to Rava (in whose opinion we do not normally assess the Sh'vach ha'Shikmah)?

(e) Why can we not learn the regular Din of Kablanus from there?

(a) What happened in the field that Rav Papa had been Mekabel in order to plant Aspasta?

(b) What did Rav Shisha B'rei de'Rav Idi ask him when he claimed the Sh'vach?

(c) What did Rav Papa mean when he replied 'Hasam La'av Ada'ata de'Hachi Nachis ... '? What is the difference between the two cases?

(d) Does this mean that he holds like Abaye regarding the Din of Sh'vach Shikmah?

(a) What did Rav Papa reply when Rav Shisha rule that the owner should pay him for the Aspasta that he could have planted where the tree grew?

(b) How did Rav Shisha react to that?

(c) What did he mean when he said 'Shekol Kurkema de'Rishka ve'Tul'?

(a) What did Rav Bibi bar Abaye do on the borders of the field that he had been Mekabel?

(b) What did Rav Papi rule when, upon leaving, he claimed from the Sh'vach of the sorb-trees that grew there?

(c) In what way did this case differ from that of Rav Papa, whose basic claim of the Sh'vach of the tree that grew in the field of Kablanus was justified?

(d) And what did Rav Papi mean when he chided him that it is not because he came from Mula'i, that he should make such 'cut-off' claims? What is 'Mula'i'?

(a) What was Rav Yosef afraid of when his Shasla (planter of vineyards) died leaving five sons-in-law?

(b) So he tried to force them to leave by issuing them with an ultimatum based on a statement of Rav Yehudah (or Rav Huna or Rav Nachman).
What did Rav Yehudah say?

(c) What was ultimatum did he then offer them?

(d) Was his ruling justified?

(a) When that Shasla stipulated that, if he suffered a loss (in spite of the overall gains), he would leave, and a loss subsequently occurred, Rav Yehudah interpreted his words to mean that he would leave without taking any of the Sh'vach.
What did Rav Kahana say?

(b) Rav Kahana conceded however, that if he said so specifically, then he would go out without Sh'vach.
On what grounds did Rava disagree with him?

(c) How do we then reconcile Rava with the Mishnah earlier, 'Im Ovir ve'Lo A'avid, Ashalem be'Meitva'?

(d) Runya, the Shasla of Ravina, caused Ravina a loss. What did Rava ...

  1. ... rule initially, when he complained that Ravina had terminated his contract?
  2. ... reply, when Runya pointed out that he had received no warning?
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(a) What did Rava say about a children's Rebbe, a Shochet, a Mohel (or a blood-letter) and the town barber? What do they all have in common?

(b) Why does he categorize the mistake of a children's Rebbe as 'an error that cannot be rectified'?

(a) When that Shasla who had decided to go to Eretz Yisrael asked for the Sh'vach, on what grounds did Rava object when Rav Papa bar Shmuel instructed the owner ...
  1. ... to comply with his request?
  2. ... to give him half the Sh'vach?
(b) What did Rav Ashi have in mind when he initially thought that a quarter means a quarter that is a sixth? How much does the Aris receive?

(c) He cannot have meant literally a quarter, because of a statement of Rav Minyumi B'rei de'Rav Nechumi. What did Rav Minyumi say about a Shasla who wishes to withdraw?

(d) How does this bear out Rav Ashi's explanation?

(a) Rav Acha B'rei de'Rav Yosef disagrees.
How does he reconcile the Shasla taking literally a quarter, with the owner receiving his full half?

(b) What did Rav Ashi mean when he replied 'Ki Matis li'Shechitas Kodshim Ta ve'Akshi Li'?

(c) How do we know that he was not rejecting his Kashya?

(d) How much does the Shasla receive from ...

  1. ... a vine in a vineyard that has become too old to produce any more fruit?
  2. ... a vineyard that was swamped by a river that overflowed its banks and no longer produces fruit?
    Why the difference?
(a) In the case where a debtor gave his creditor an orchard for ten years, the trees were actually destined to stop producing fruit in five years time. What sort of Mashkon was it? Why was it not Ribis?

(b) Abaye considered the trees Peiros.
What did Rava say?

(c) The Beraisa discusses a case of 'Yavesh ha'Ilan O Niktzatz, Sheneihem Asurin Bo'.
What does the Tana rule there?

(d) What do we mean when we presume 'Yavesh Dumya de'Niktzatz'? Why is this a Kashya on Abaye?

(a) How does Abaye explain the above Beraisa to answer the Kashya?

(b) What does the Beraisa say about a woman who inherited old vines or olive-trees?

(c) What do we try and prove from here?

(d) To reconcile Abaye with the Beraisa, we initially amend the Beraisa to read (not 'Zekeinim', but) 've'Hizkinu' (implying that they aged prematurely), in which case Abaye agrees that they are not considered Peiros (as we already explained).
How might we answer Abaye even without amending the wording? What is the significance of the fact that the woman inherited the trees in someone else's field?

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