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Bava Metzia 84

BAVA METZIA 81-85 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi publications for these Dafim for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.


(a) Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi, like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, was appointed by the king to catch robbers.
What did he reply, when Eliyahu asked him for how long he would contimue to hand over Jews to be killed?

(b) What was Eliyahu's reply?

(c) What could have happened when Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi and Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon met?

(d) Based on the size of their stomachs, what snide comment did a certain Roman matron make to them?

(e) And what did she retort following the reply that their wives were even fatter than they were?

(a) What did they mean when, to dispel her problem, they cited the Pasuk in Shoftim "Ki ka'Ish Gevuraso"?

(b) What alternative answer did they give her?

(c) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Mishlei "Al Ta'an K'sil ke'Avlaso"?

(d) Then why did they take the trouble to answer her?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan gives the size of Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi's Eiver Tashmish as being the equivalent of a flask that holds nine Kabin, and Rav Papa gives the size of Rebbi Yochanan's as five or three Kabin, What was the size of Rav Papa's Eiver Tashmish?

(b) What did Rebbi Yochanan boast?

(c) If someone were to take a silver cup fresh from the factory, fill it with kernels from a red pomegranate, line its rim with a crown of red roses and place it between the sun and the shade, what would the resulting shine emanating from it remind one of?

(d) How do we reconcile this with a statement of Mar, that the beauty of Rav Kahana was reminiscent of that of Rebbi Avahu, which in turn, was reminiscent of Ya'akov Avinu? Why did they omit Rebbi Yochanan from the list?

(e) Whose beauty did Ya'akov Avinu's resemble?

(a) Why did Rebbi Yochanan sit by the gates of Tevilah (near where the women would Tovel)?

(b) What did he reply when the Rabbanan asked him whether he was not afraid of Ayin ha'Ra?

(c) How does Rebbi Avahu learn this from the Pasuk in Va'yechi "Ben Poras Yosef, Ben Poras Alei Ayin"?

(d) From which Pasuk there does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina derive it?

(a) When Rebbi Yochanan first spotted Resh Lakish swimming in the Jordan River, what did ...
  1. ... he do?
  2. ... he say?
  3. ... Resh Lakish reply?
  4. ... Rebbi Yochanan respond?
(b) Why was Resh Lakish suddenly unable to swim back for his clothes?

(c) What happened next?

(a) The Mishnah in Keilim states that metal vessels, such as swords, spears and sickles, become subject to Tum'ah from the time that they are completed, which Rebbi Yochanan explains 'mi'she'Yetzarfem ba'Kivshan'.
What does this mean?

(b) What does Resh Lakish say?

(c) What did Resh Lakish respond when Rebbi Yochanan commented that a robber knows his trade?

(d) How did Rebbi Yochanan respond to Resh Lakish's response?

(e) What happened next?

(a) What did Rebbi Yochanan answer his sister, when she beseeched him to have pity, first on her son, (who would become a Yasom) and then, on herself (who would become an Almanah)?

(b) When, upon Resh Lakish's death, Rebbi Yochanan became grief-stricken, the Rabbanan sent Rebbi Elazar ben P'das to make up for his terrible loss. Why specifically Rebbi Elazar?

(c) Why did this not work out? What was the difference between Rebbi Elazar and Resh Lakish in the eyes of Rebbi Yochanan?

(d) So Rebbi Yochanan cried bitterly for Resh Lakish.
What happened next?

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(a) In spite of Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon's earlier statement (assuring himself that the people that he had arrested were all guilty), he took upon himself Yisurin (suffering).
What illness did he contract?

(b) They would place underneath him sixty felt sheets at night.
What would they find in the morning?

(c) What food did his wife subsequently prepare for him?

(d) Why would his wife not allow him to go to the Beis ha'Medrash?

(e) Why did he ask for the Yisurin to depart each day (and for them to return only at night)? How did he refer to the Yisurin?

(a) What caused his wife to leave him and run away to her father's house?

(b) How did Rebbi Elazar manage without her? What was the significance of the sailors?

(c) What did he instruct his daughter to tell her mother, when she sent her to see how he was managing?

(d) In view of the strange way that his salvation had arrived, which Pasuk in Mishlei did he apply to himself?

(a) He ate and drank and was cured and returned to the Beis ha'Medrash. What objection did the Rabbanan raise when he declared Tahor sixty cases of Dam Nidah that were brought to him for inspection?

(b) How many colors of Tamei Dam Nidah are there?

(c) How did he prove that he had not erred even in one case? How did the women show their appreciation for what he had done?

(d) What did Rebbi mean when he spoke of that wicked one who prevented much Piryah ve'Yivyah from Yisrael? To whom was he referring when he said 'Rish'ah Zu?

(a) What did Rebbi Elazar instruct his wife before his death? Why did he not want to be buried conventionally?

(b) What did Rebbi Yonasan's mother, quoting Rebbi Elazar's wife, tell Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeini? How long did Rebbi Elazar's body lie in the attic?

(c) What happened when Rebbi Elazar's wife ...

  1. ... whilst fondling Rebbi Elazar's hair, would inadvertently pull out a hair from his head?
  2. ... once spotted a worm emerging from his ear? How did Rebbi Elazar (in a dream) explain this to her? What was she afraid of, that she needed reassuring? What was she afraid of?
(d) How would Rebbi Elazar arbitrate between litigants after his death?
(a) The Rabbanan decided to bury him after his wife cursed the woman with whom she was quarreling that she should be like her husband, who was not brought to Kevuras Yisrael.
Why should that prompt them to bury him?

(b) That was the reason according to the first Lashon.
What was the reason, according to the second Lashon?

(c) Why did the residents of Achbarya not allow them to bury Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?

(d) How did the Rabbanan eventually get round the B'nei Achbarya? What did the B'nei Biri have to do with it?

(e) They buried him in the same cave as his father.
What problem did they encounter when they reached the cave? How did they solve the problem?

(a) Why did Rebbi Elazar's wife decline Rebbi's marriage proposal?

(b) How did the B'nei Eretz Yisrael describe it with a Mashal?

(c) What did Rebbi Elazar's wife comment when Rebbi replied that even if her husband had been greater than him in Torah, he was not greater in good deeds?

(d) Why did the colleagues of Raban Shimon ben Gamliel and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah (the Gedolei ha'Dor of that generation) raise Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon and Rebbi from the ground and place them on a bench?

(a) Why did Raban Shimon ben Gamliel remove the bench from Rebbi and put him back on the floor?

(b) What protest did Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah raise? What did he subsequently do?

(c) Why did Rebbi become upset?

(d) If Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon had initially supported Rebbi's statements, what changed from this incident and onwards?

(a) What was Raban Shimon ben Gamliel's response, when a despondent Rebbi described to his father how Rebbi Elazar was running circles round him (see Agados Maharsha)?

(b) Rebbi was impressed with his father's Midos.
Whom did he include in his list of three humble people (besides his father, Raban Shimon ben Gamliel)?

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