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Bava Metzia 68

BAVA METZIA 68 (16 Shevat) - dedicated by Gitle Bekelnitzky in loving memory of Leah bas Mordechai Dovid and Chasya (Bikelnitzky), mother of her late husband, Simcha Bekelnitzky, for the 41st Yahrzeit


(a) The elders of Masa Mechsaya told Rav Ashi that the duration of a S'tam Mashkanta is one year.
What are the ramifications of this statement?

(b) What did they tell him about the acronym of 'Mashkanta'?

(c) And what are the ramifications of that statement?

(a) Rava declared the Tarsha of Rav Papa invalid (as we learned above). He also declared the Sh'taros of Mechuza and the Chakiros of the Narsha'a invalid too.
What is the case of the Sh'taros of Mechuza?

(b) What is the problem with that?

(c) Mar bar Ameimar told Rav Ashi that his father use to do just that. What did his father used to do to eliminate the element of Ribis?

(d) Why, did Rav Ashi point out, would this leniency not extend to Ameimar's children (or to anybody else for that matter)?

(e) Why do we cite here the Pasuk in Koheles "ki'Shegagah ha'Yotzeis Milifnei ha'Shalit"?

(a) What is the case of the Chakiros of the Narsha'a?

(b) What is the problem with it? Why is it forbidden?

(c) We think that 'nowadays', the problem has been circumvented.
What did they write in the Sh'tar that led us to believe this? On what grounds would we rely on this rather shaky Heter?

(d) On what basis then, do we conclude 've'La'av Milsa Hi'?

(a) What is 'Iska'?

(b) Why is it forbidden?

(c) Under which circumstances will Iska then be permitted?

(d) Our Mishnah presents two cases, one of them 'Ein Moshivin Chenvani le'Mechtzis S'char' (which is the case we just described).
What is the other case?

(a) 'Ein Moshivin Tarnegolin le'Mechtzah, ve'Ein Shamin Agalim ve'Sayachin le'Mechtzah'.
What is the meaning of ...
  1. ... '(Ein) Moshivin Tarnegolin le'Mechtzah'?
  2. ... '(Ein) Shamin Agalim ve'Sayachin le'Mechtzah'?
(b) Under which circumstances will the previous case be permitted?

(c) What would Reuven stipulate if, instead of calves and fillies, he paid Shimon to raise baby donkeys?

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(a) We learned in the Reisha of our Mishnah that the owner of the goods is obligated to pay the the storekeeper like a worker. The Beraisa interprets this to mean like a Po'el Bateil.
How does Abaye explain 'Po'el Bateil'?

(b) Having taught us this in the case of ...

  1. ... 'Ein Moshivin Chenvani ... ', why did the Tana find it necessary to add the case of 've'Lo Yiten Ma'os Li'kach Bahen Peiros'?
  2. ... 've'Lo Yiten Ma'os Li'kach Bahen Peiros', why did the Tana need to add the case of 'Ein Moshivin Chenvani ... '?
(c) The Beraisa cites three opinions with regard to how to pay in the case of 'le'Mechtzis S'char. Rebbi Meir says whether a lot or a little; Rebbi Yehudah says even if he only dipped his food into fish-juice or ate a fig with him it will suffice.
Which of the two is the more lenient?

(d) The third opinion is the author of our Mishnah.
Who is it? What does he say?

(a) The Tana Kama of a Beraisa forbids Shuma (assessing) for Mechtzis S'char any animal that needs to be fed but does not work (to pay for its food). What sort of animal is he referring to?

(b) Why does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah permit Shuma by ...

  1. ... goats?
  2. ... sheep?
  3. ... chickens?
(c) We ask how the Tana Kama can possibly argue with the fact that the wool and the milk (should the owner be willing to forego his half) are sufficient to dispel the Ribis.
What do we answer? Which kind of wool and milk does he forbid?

(d) In that case, with whose opinion does ...

  1. ... the Tana Kama concur?
  2. ... Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah concur?
(a) What does the Tana say about a woman renting her chicken to her friend for two chicks (out of the revenue)?

(b) In the same Beraisa, Rebbi Shimon forbids a woman to enter into an agreement whereby she places her friend's eggs under her chickens, to divide the chicks that are hatched.
Considering that the owner of the eggs is not paying for the trouble and the chicken-fodder, why does Rebbi Yehudah permit it?

(c) What is the basis of their Machlokes?

(a) The Tana Kama requires the owner to pay the Mekabel S'char Katef where it is the Minhag to do so.
What is 'S'char Katef'?

(b) On what basis does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel absolve him from paying S'char Katef for a calf or a filly (even where it is customary to do so when the mother is not present), if he is dealing with its mother, too?

(c) What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel do about paying for the trouble (for the occasions that it does not follow its mother) and food (failing which constitutes Ribis)? Like whom does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel hold?

(d) How does the Tana Kama counter this? Why is the owner nevertheless obligated to pay S'char Katef?

10) What did Rav Nachman (in what seems to be a ruling) declare with regard to all of above Machlokos?

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