REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Metzia 8
(a) On the assumption that each of the two men picked up the Talis on behalf
of both of them (we will see later from which part of the Mishnah he derives
this), how does Rami bar Chama extrapolate from our Mishnah that if Reuven
picks up a Metzi'a for Shimon, Shimon acquires it automatically
('ha'Magbihah Metzi'ah la'Chavero, Kanah Chavero')?
(b) How does Rava refute Rami bar Chama's proof. If we were to hold 'Lo
Kanah Chavero', on what grounds would they still acquire the Talis?
(c) How does Rava prove the distinction between the two above concepts from
partners who stole? What is the Din regarding a Sheli'ach who steals on
behalf of the Meshale'ach?
(a) How do we refute Rava's proof from 'Migu de'Zachi le'Nafsheih . ... '
that if a Cheresh and a Pike'ach pick up a Metzi'ah together, since the
Cheresh acquires half, so does the Pike'ach? On what grounds is a Cheresh
(b) So we assume that the Cheresh is Koneh but not the Cheresh. Which 'Migu'
would we then ascribe to Rava?
(c) On what grounds do we refute this explanation too? Why would even the
Cheresh not be Koneh? How do we finally interpret Rava's 'Migu' (see
(d) Then why did Chazal institute that two Charashin should be Koneh?
(a) When Rami bar Chama extrapolates from our Mishnah 'ha'Magbihah Metzi'ah
la'Chavero, Kanah Chavero' (and Rava 'Migu de'Zachi le'Nafsheih ... '), why
can it not be from ...
(b) Why can he not be referring to the case of 'Zeh Omer Kulah she'Li,
ve'Zeh Omer Chetzyah she'Li'? What would be the Chidush even assuming that
the Tana is speaking in a case of purchasing?
- ... the Reisha 'Shenayim Ochzin be'Talis'?
- ... the second case 'Zeh Omer Kulah she'Li ve'Zeh Omer Kulah she'Li'?
(c) Why is he indeed not believed without a Shevu'ah (like a Meishiv
(d) And why can Rami bar Chama (and Rava) not be referring to the case of
'Hayu Sheneihem Rochvin al-Gebei Beheimah ... '?
(a) From where do we finally learn 'ha'Magbihah Metzi'ah la'Chavero, Kanah
Chavero' or 'Migu de'Zachi le'Nafsheih ... '?
Answers to questions
(b) How do we know that the Tana is referring to a case of Metzi'ah, and not
(a) Rav Yehudah heard two things from Shmuel concerning Rachuv and Manhig
(riding the animal and leading it).
What were they? What is it that he
couldn't remember about them?
(b) We initially think that it cannot have been a question of one being
Koneh independently and the other one, not.
(c) Then what did he hear from Shmuel? What advantage does ...
- ... the Rachuv enjoy over the Manhig?
- ... the Manhig enjoy over the Rachuv?
(a) Rav Yosef, quoting Rav Yehudah himself, resolved the Safek.
the Tana Kama in the Mishnah in Kil'ayim say about someone who is leading an
ox and a donkey that are harnessed together, and someone who is sitting on
the wagon they are pulling?
(b) Rebbi Meir exempts the latter.
Why did Shmuel reverse the two
(c) What did Rav Yehudah extrapolate from that statement of Shmuel?
(a) In what way did Abaye query Rav Yosef 's quotation of Rav Yehudah?
(b) Rav Yosef proved that he had heard it from Rav Yehudah (though in all
likelihood Rav Yosef, who is known to have suffered a memory loss, had
forgotten to mention it to his Talmidim) from the Kashya he had asked him.
What did he ask him (based on the fact that the Mishnah is talking about
'Yoshev be'Karon' and not about 'Rachuv')?
(c) What was Rav Yehudah's reply? What did Rav and Shmuel say about
(d) How does the second Lashon quote this question and answer? Who queried
Rav Yehudah's proof, and who gave the answer? Who is Idi?
(a) The ruling regarding Mosirah is corroborated by Rebbi Chelbo Amar Rav
What distinction did he make between a sale on the one hand, and a
Metzi'ah and acquiring from a deceased Ger, on the other?
(b) How did Idi prove this distinction from the very word 'Mosirah'?
(a) We learned in our Mishnah that if the two disputants claimed the animal
they were riding or leading, they divide it with a Shevu'ah.
Answers to questions
according to Shmuel, can the author of the Mishnah not be Rebbi Meir (of the
Mishnah in Kil'ayim)?
(b) Assuming then, that the author is the Rabbanan, this poses a Kashya on
Shmuel, who holds that Rochev is not Koneh.
How does Shmuel therefore
establish the Mishnah?
(c) If he is leading the animal with his legs then, having mentioned
'Manhig, why does the Tana find it necessary to add 'Rachuv' (which is
always a kind of Manhig)?