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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Bava Metzia 2
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Please note that unless otherwise indicated, we follow the explanation of
Rashi. Consequently, our notes and comments do not necessarily have any
bearing on the practical Halachah.
(a) In a case where two people arrive in Beis-Din holding a Talis (a cloak),
each of whom claims that he found it and that it all belongs to him - our
Mishnah rules that each one swears that not less than half belongs to him,
and takes half (which means that they either divide it in two or they sell
it and share the proceeds).
(b) If ...
1. ... only one of them is holding it - then we apply the principle
'ha'Motzi me'Chavero Alav ha'Re'ayah' (what a person has in his possession
belongs to him until proven otherwise), and the one who is holding it takes
(c) If one of them claims the whole Talis, and the other one, only half,
then the former takes three quarters and the latter, a quarter - following
the same pattern as the Reisha, where each one takes half of the disputed
article. Here too, each one takes of the disputed half. The Shevu'ah (that
each one swears that he is not entitled to less than the amount that he
ultimately receives) in both the Reisha and the Seifa will be explained
later in the Sugya.
2. ... neither of them is holding it - then we apply the ruling 'Kol de'Alim
G'var', meaning that they fight it out among themselves (see Tosfos DH
(a) In a case where ...
1. ... both of them lay claim to the animal which they are riding or
leading - the Din is exactly the same as in the case of the Talis.
(b) The Tana finds it necessary to add these cases - to teach us that one
can acquire an animal by riding it or by leading it, and that both are
2. ... one of them is riding it and the other one, leading it - the same
(c) In the event that they both agree, or if they have witnesses that the
article belongs to both of them - then they divide it without a Shevu'ah.
(a) Initially, we explain the Tana's double-case ('Zeh Omer Ani Metzasihah
... Zeh Omer Kulah she'Li ... ') - as being one case 'Zeh Omer Ani
Metzasihah, ve'Kulah she'Li'.
(b) The claim of 'Ani Metzasihah' will not suffice, we maintain - because
that includes the possibility that he claims the article on the basis of his
having seen it first (before the other one picked it up), and the ensuing
Halachah would then imply that one acquires an article by merely seeing it.
By adding 'Kulah she'Li', he makes it clear that he actually picked it up
first (because only then will he have acquired it).
(c) We query this however, from Ravina. Ravina (in connection with the Pasuk
in Ki Seitzei "le'Chol Aveidas Achicha", from which we preclude the lost
article of a Nochri) learns from the word "u'Metzasah" - that even if the
finder already picked up the lost article, he is Patur from returning it to
(d) We refute this Kashya however, by making a distinction between Lishna
di'K'ra and Lishna de'Alma (a distinction that has a precedent in the realm
of Nedarim) - because even if, when the Torah uses a Lashon of 'Metzi'ah',
it means that the finder picked it up, in spoken language, 'finding
something' has connotations of having seen it first.
(a) 'Kulah she'Li' does indeed come to teach us that the finder actually
picked up the object. Nevertheless, the Tana needs to insert 'Ani
Metzasihah' - because we would otherwise have thought that really, seeing a
Metzi'ah is Koneh, and the Tana here only says 'Kulah she'Li' because it is
a stronger argument than 'Ani Metzasihah', and the finder would be more
likely to say that.
(b) We reject the current explanation of our Mishnah - on the ground that
the Tana says 'Zeh Omer' both by Ani Metzasihah' and by 'Kulah she'Li',
implying that he is referring to two different cases.
(c) So Rav Papa (or Rav Shimi bar Ashi or K'di) establishes the two cases -
by Metzi'ah and by purchase (where each person claims that he purchased the
Talis from the seller), respectively.
(d) Having presented the case of ...
1. ... Metzi'ah, the Tana nevertheless needs to mention that of purchasing -
because we would have thought that it is only by Metzi'ah that we make them
swear, because we suspect them of taking advantage of the fact that it cost
the other claimant nothing in the first place.
2. ... purchasing, he needed to mention that of Metzi'ah - because we would
have thought that it is only by Metzi'ah that we make them swear, because we
suspect them of taking advantage of the fact that the other claimant can
always find the object by another seller.
(a) The case of purchase, where they both claim that they bought the Talis,
speaks - when we actually did ask the seller who paid him the money, and he
replied that they both paid him, one of them with his consent, and one,
against his will, but we don't know which is which.
(b) A storekeeper ...
1. ... is always believed to say to whom he sold a disputed article,
provided it is still has in his domain?
(c) Consequently, the correct text must be 've'Lo Yad'inan me'Hei mi'Da'atei
... ', rather than 've'Lo Yada' - because, since they both paid, they had
the article and they have left the seller's presence, he would not have been
2. ... is only believed, assuming that he has already given it into the
disputants' hands, as long as they have not left his presence, but not if
(a) In the case of 'Chenvani al Pinkaso' - it is both the worker (who claims
that he has not yet received his wages) and the store-keeper, (who argues
that he paid him, and claims reimbursement from the Balabos) who are
claiming from the Balabos.
(b) The Rabbanan there rule that both the worker and the storekeeper swear
and claim their due from the Balabos. According to Ben Na'nes - we cannot
allow them to swear, since to do so is bound to lead to a false oath.
Consequently, they both claim from him without a Shevu'ah.
(c) We reconcile our Mishnah with ben Na'nes - by pointing out that whereas
in his case, one of them is bound to swear falsely, this is not the case in
our Mishnah, where it is possible that they both picked up the Talis
simultaneously, and that the seller sold it to both of them simultaneously.
(a) In the case of an ox that gored a cow and we do not know whether the
dead stillborn calf that is lying beside it was born before the goring or
after it, Sumchus says - 'Mamon ha'Mutal be'Safek Cholkin'.
(b) What makes us think that the author of our Mishnah cannot be Sumchus
is - the fact that if in the above case of the cow and the calf they divide
the calf without a Shevu'ah, then why would he require a Shevu'ah in our
(c) There is no problem with establishing our Mishnah like the Rabbanan
there - who say 'ha'Motzi me'Chavero Alav ha'Re'ayah, because there the
Mazik is not holding the calf, whereas here, each one is disturbing his
contestant's claim to the other half by holding it. We cannot use the same
S'vara to reconcile it with Sumchus though - because if Sumchus does not
require a Shevu'ah even when they are not holding the article, 'Kal
va'Chomer' when they are.
(a) Initially, to reconcile Sumchus with our Mishnah, we draw a distinction
between 'Shema ve'Shema' and 'Bari u'Bari' - by confining Sumchus ruling to
'Shema ve'Shema' (where a Shevu'ah is not possible), but that by 'Bari
u'Bari', he will concede that a Shevu'ah is required.
(b) This answer will not work however, according to Rabah bar Rav Huna, who
maintains - that Sumchus' ruling extends to 'Bari u'Bari'.
(a) We try to reconcile Sumchus with our Mishnah by confining his opinion to
where there is a D'rara de'Mamona - which means a loss of pocket (because
either the Mazik might have to pay unjustifiably, or the Nizak might lose
payment for his dead calf unjustifiably). (See also Tosfos DH 'Heicha').
(b) We repudiate this suggestion however - by reversing the logic. Because
if when there is a loss of pocket, Sumchus does not require a Shevu'ah, how
much more so when there is not.
(c) The other objection to establishing our Mishnah like Sumchus is - that
if, in his case, where the calf is bound to belong to one of them Sumchus
does not require a Shevu'ah, then here, where both by Metzi'ah and by
purchasing, it could belong to both of them (as we explained earlier), no
Shevu'ah should be necessary.
(d) We answer both Kashyos with a statement of Rebbi Yochanan - who said
that the Shevu'ah in our Mishnah is a Takanas Chachamim to prevent people
from grabbing other people's Talisos and claiming it is theirs.
Consequently, even Sumchus, who does not require a Shevu'ah in other cases,
will concedes here that a Shevu'ah is required.