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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Bava Metzia 114
BAVA METZIA 112-115 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy
Nishmas Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah.
1) FOR WHOM ARE WE MESADER?
(a) Question: Do we Mesader for a borrower?
1. Do we learn a Gezeirah Shavah "Michah-Michah" from
Erchin, or not?
(b) Answer: We may learn from Ravin.
1. (Ravin): My Rebbi'im did not answer this question -
but they addressed the question of someone who
obligated himself to give 100 Zuz to Hekdesh.
(c) Suggestion: A Kal va'Chomer should teach that a creditor
2. Opinion #1 (R. Yakov): We learn a Kal va'Chomer from
a creditor: even though a creditor must return a
security, he need not Mesader - Hekdesh, which need
not return a security, all the more so it need not
3. Opinion #2 (R. Yochanan): "Neder b'Erkecha" - the
Torah equates vows and Erchin;
i. Just as we Mesader regarding Erchin, also
4. R. Yakov explains that Torah equates them regarding
one who vows to give the value of a limb. (If one
vows to give the Erech of a limb vital to life, he
gives the full Erech of the person - likewise, if
one vows to give the value of a limb vital to life,
he gives the person's full value (as a slave)).
1. Regarding Erchin, there is no law of returning a
security, yet we are Mesader - regarding a creditor,
who must return a security, all the more so he
(d) Rejection: "V'Im Mach Hu me'Erkecha" - we Mesader for
Erchin, not for a borrower.
1. According to the opinion that a creditor is Mesader
(Rashi - the first Tana of our Mishnah, he obligates
the creditor to forever return the security; Tosfos
- the Tana of the Beraisa (113B) who said this
explicitly) - "Hu" teaches that he was poor from the
time he vowed until now (only then he pays (a
smaller) Erchin according to what he can afford).
(e) Suggestion: A Kal va'Chomer should teach that Hekdesh
must return a security!
1. A creditor is not Mesader, yet he must return a
security - Hekdesh, which is Mesader, all the more
so it must return a security!
(f) Rejection #1: "V'Shachav b'Salmaso u'Veracheka" - Hekdesh
need not return a security, since it does not need to be
(g) Objection: Indeed, Hash-m desires our blessings -
"V'Achalta v'Savata u'Verachta"!
(h) Rejection #2: "U'Lcha Tihyeh Tzedakah" - Hekdesh need not
return a security, since it does not need to fulfill the
Mitzvah of Tzedakah.
(i) Question (Rabah bar Avuha): Are we Mesader for a
(j) Answer (Eliyahu): Yes - we learn a Gezeirah Shavah
"Michah-Michah" from Erchin.
It says regarding Erchin "V'Im Mach Hu me'Erkecha",
and it says regarding a borrower "V'Chi Yamuch
2) OTHER ANSWERS OF ELIYAHU
(a) Question (Rabah bar Avuha): What is the source that a
naked person may not separate Terumah?
3) CONDITIONS OF RETURNING A SECURITY
(b) Answer (Eliyahu): "V'Lo Yireh Vecha Ervas Davar".
(c) Question (Rabah bar Avuha): Aren't you a Kohen (Pinchas)
- why are you in a cemetery (of Nochrim)?
(d) Answer (Eliyahu - Beraisa - R. Shimon): Graves of Nochrim
do not impart Tum'ah of an Ohel (by which it says "Adam
Ki Yamus b'Ohel");
1. "Adam Atem" - Yisrael are called 'Adam', Nochrim are
(e) Eliyahu was surprised that Rabah bar Avuha did not know
1. Rabah bar Avuha: Because of my poverty, I am not
sufficiently fluent in the four tractates of the
Mishnah we focus on in Bavel (Mo'ed, Nashim,
Nezikin, Kodshim) - all the more so I am not fluent
in (Zera'im and) Taharos!
2. Eliyahu took him to Gan Eden and told him to take
leaves. As he was about to leave, he heard a voice
saying that he was consuming his share in the world
to come, so he threw down all the leaves.
3. In any case, his garment had absorbed the smell - he
sold it for a fortune, and divided the money among
(a) (Beraisa): "V'Im Ish Oni Hu Lo Sishkav ba'Avoto" - but
one may sleep in a rich person's garment.
(b) Objection: That is usury!
(c) Answer (Rav Sheshes): The Beraisa means, a creditor may
not sleep while holding a poor person's (night) garment
in his house;
1. He may sleep with a rich person's garment in his
(d) (Beraisa): If Reuven lends Shimon, he may not Memashken
him, he need not return his security to him, he
transgresses all these Mitzvos.
(e) Question: What does this mean?!
(f) Answer #1 (Rav Sheshes): If Reuven lends Shimon, he may
not Memashken him, if he was Memashken him, he must
return it, if he does not return it, he transgresses all
(g) Answer #2 (Rava): If Reuven lends Shimon, he may not
Memashken him, he must return it to him;
1. This is if he was Memashken him after giving the
loan - but if he was Memashken him when he gave the
loan, he need not return it.
(h) (Rav Shizbi - Beraisa): "Ad Bo ha'Shemesh (before the sun
rises) Teshivenu Lo" refers to a garment worn at night;
2. If he was Memashken him after giving the loan and he
does not return it, he transgresses all these
1. "Hashev Tashiv Lo Es ha'Avot k'Vo ha'Shemesh (when
the sun sets)" refers to a day garment.
(i) Question (Rava): Why return a night garment for the day
and a day garment for the night?!
(j) Rav Shizbi: I will no longer recite the Beraisa (there is
a mistake in the text).
(k) Rava: The correct version is "Ad Bo ha'Shemesh Teshivenu
Lo" refers to a day garment, which may be taken at night;
(l) "Hashev Tashiv Lo Es ha'Avot k'Vo ha'Shemesh" refers to a
night garment, which may be taken by day.