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Previous daf Bava Kama 119
1) SUSPECTED THIEVES
(a) (Mishnah): We may not buy from people that guard fruit...
2) THEFT IS AS MURDER
(b) Rava bought a bundle of vine shoots from a sharecropper.
(c) Abaye: But the Mishnah forbids buying fruit or wood from
people that guard fruit!
(d) Rava: That is only by guardians, who receive no share of
the produce - but sharecroppers receive a share of the
produce, we may suppose that they sell from their share.
(e) (Beraisa): People that guard fruit - we may buy from them
when they sit and sell with the baskets and big scales in
front of them;
1. If the seller says to conceal it, it is always
(f) We may buy from them at the entrance to the garden, not
in back of it.
(g) Question: When may one buy from a thief?
(h) Answer #1 (Rav): Only if the majority of what he sells is
(i) Answer #2 (Shmuel): Even if the minority is his.
1. Rav Yehudah ruled as Shmuel.
(j) (Rav Huna or Rav Yehudah): One may destroy property of an
informer (one who shows others' money to extortionists).
(k) (The other of Rav Huna and Rav Yehudah): One may not
destroy his property.
1. The one who permits - one is allowed to kill him,
all the more so to destroy his money!
(l) Rav Chisda's sharecropper was meticulous to take his full
share (some explain - he took more than he was entitled
2. The one who forbids - perhaps he will have a
righteous heir - "The evil one prepares, the Tzadik
(m) Rav Chisda fired him, and kept his portion - "The wealth
of the sinner waits (to pass to) the Tzadik".
(a) (Rav Huna or Rav Chisda): "What is the hope of an
evildoer when he steals - Hash-m Yeshel his soul" -
Hash-m will give serenity to the soul of his victim;
3) BUYING FROM WOMEN
(b) (The other of Rav Huna and Rav Chisda): It means, Hash-m
will cast off the thief's soul.
(c) (R. Yochanan): Anyone who steals a Perutah, it is as if
he takes the soul of his victim - "The way of a thief, he
takes the owner's soul";
1. It also says "He will eat your harvest and your
bread, they will eat your sons and daughters";
(d) Question: Why are all these verses needed?
2. It also says "The Chamas (forcing one to sell) by
people of Yehudah, who spilled innocent blood in
3. It also says "To Sha'ul...that he killed the
(e) Answer: One might have thought, theft is only as killing
the owner, but not his children - "your sons and
daughters" teaches, this is not so;
1. One might have thought, this is only by theft
without paying, but not by one who pays - "The
Chamas by people of Yehudah, who spilled innocent
blood " teaches, this is not so;
2. One might have thought, this is only by direct
theft, not by causation - "To Sha'ul...that he
killed the Givonim" teaches, this is not so.
3. Question: Where do we find that Sha'ul killed the
4. Answer: He did not directly kill them - but he
killed the Kohanim of Nov, who used to supply the
Givonim with water and food;
i. The verse considers this as killing them.
(a) (Mishnah): We may buy from women...
4) WHICH THINGS PEOPLE CARE ABOUT
(b) (Beraisa): We may buy woolen garments in Yehudah and
linen garments in Galil from women,
1. We may not buy wine, oil and flour from them, nor
from slaves or children;
(c) If the seller says to conceal it, it is always forbidden.
2. R. Elazar bar Shimon says, a woman may sell the
value of 4 or 5 Dinarim, in order to make a covering
for her head.
(d) Collectors of Tzedakah may take only a small amount from
(e) From wives of olive-pressers, we may buy a large quantity
of olives or oil, but not a small amount.
1. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, in upper Galil we may
buy a small amount of olives from women, for their
husbands are often embarrassed to sell themselves
and ask their wives to sell.
(f) Ravina visited Bei Mechuza; women threw gold chains and
bracelets at him - he took them.
(g) Rabah Tosfah: But the Beraisa says, collectors of
Tzedakah make take only a small amount from women!
(h) Ravina: For people of Mechuza, this is a small amount.
(a) (Mishnah): Launderers may keep tufts that they remove
1. What a fuller (one who cleans and shrinks wool)
removes, it must be returned to the owner (of the
(b) A launderer that removes 3 threads to even out a garment
- he may keep them;
1. If he removes more, they must be returned to the
(c) A tailor that had enough thread left over to sew with, or
cut off a piece of material 3 fingers by 3 fingers - the
owner gets them;
2. Black threads on a white garment - the launderer may
keep as many as there are.
(d) Shavings that result from a Ma'atzad (plane) belong to
the carpenter; from a Keshil (big plane) to the owner.
1. If he is working in the owner's house, even sawdust
from a drill belongs to the owner.
(e) (Gemara - Beraisa): We may buy tufts from a launderer,
because they belong to him;
1. A launderer takes the 2 top threads;
5) PROPER FIXING OF GARMENTS
2. He should not sew loops (for stretching the garment)
with more than 3 stitches.
(f) He should not comb the garment in the direction of the
warp threads, rather, in the direction of the woof
(g) He should even it out lengthwise, not widthwise;
1. He may remove strands up to 1 Tefach thick to even
(h) Contradiction: The Beraisa permits taking 2 threads, the
Mishnah permits 3!
(i) Answer: The Beraisa speaks of strong threads, the Mishnah
speaks of weak threads.
(a) (Beraisa): He should not comb the garment in the
direction of the warp threads, rather, in the direction
of the woof threads;
6) WHAT MAY BE BOUGHT
(b) Contradiction: Another Beraisa says just the opposite!
(c) Answer: A garment worn every day should not be combed in
the direction of the warp threads, lest it will tear
easily; by a fancy garment, this is better, for it looks
(d) (Beraisa): He should not sew loops with more than 3
(e) Question (R. Yirmeyah): Does this mean 3 insertions of
the needle, or 3 complete (insertion and extraction)
(f) This question is unsettled.
(g) (Beraisa): He should even it out lengthwise, not
(h) Contradiction: Another Beraisa says just the opposite!
(i) Answer: A regular garment should be evened out
lengthwise; a belt should be evened out widthwise (since
only the ends are seen).
(a) (Beraisa): We may not buy tufts from a fuller, for they
do not belong to him;
On to Bava Metzia
1. In a place where the custom is that he keeps them,
we may buy.
(b) (Beraisa): We may not buy the following from a weaver:
wool put on the pole holding the woof threads, threads
through which the warp threads pass, woof threads, or
leftover balls of thread, but we may buy a mutlicolored
garment (even though it seems that the material was taken
from other garments), spun or woven threads.
2. Everywhere, we may buy from him a pillow or blanket
stuffed with tufts.
3. Question: Why is this?
4. Answer: (Even if he stole them,) he acquired them by
(c) Question: Something woven was already spun (there is no
need to teach it)!
(d) Answer: The Beraisa refers to plaits, which were not
(e) (Beraisa): We may not buy from a dyer samples (of
garments, taken to see how the dye will be absorbed) or
examples (of wool of the desired color) or bits pulled
1. We may buy from him dyed garments, spun thread and
(f) Question: A garment was already spun (there is no need to
(g) Answer: The Beraisa refers to felt, which was not
(h) (Beraisa): One who gives skins to a tanner, the pieces of
skin and wool that come off belong to the owner;
1. What comes off in the water, the tanner keeps.
(i) (Mishnah): Black threads...
(j) (Rav Yehudah): A launderer is called Katzra - he Mekatzer
(shortens) garments, and keeps what he removes.
(k) (Rav Yehudah): If the 3 threads were not taken, they
count towards the measure that the Techeiles strings (of
Tzitzis) must be distanced from the corner.
(l) (Mishnah): A tailor that had enough thread left over...
(m) Question: How much is considered enough to sew with?
(n) Answer (Rav Asi): A needle's length, and past the needle
(one needs a needle's length just to insert the needle).
(o) Question: Does he mean, a needle's length above the
(length of the) needle - or, a needle's length, and any
(p) Answer (Beraisa): A tailor that had thread left over
insufficient to sew with, or fabric less than 3 fingers
by 3 fingers - if the owner wants them, he gets them; if
not, the tailor keeps them.
1. If the Mishnah means, 2 needle's lengths - even less
than this can be used for a loop.
(q) (Mishnah): Shavings that result from a Ma'atzad (plane)
belong to the carpenter; from a Keshil (big plane) to the
2. But if the Mishnah means, a needle's length and any
amount past this - less than this is useless (why
would anyone want it?)!
i. We conclude, it means 2 needle's lengths.
(r) Contradiction (Beraisa): Pieces that come off a Ma'atzad
or saw belong to the owner; shavings from a drill or
plane and sawdust belong to the carpenter.
(s) Answer (Rava): In the region of the Tana of the Mishnah,
there are 2 kinds of planes - big ones are called Keshil,
small ones are called Ma'atzad;
1. In the region of the Tana of the Beraisa, they only
have big ones, and they call them Ma'atzad.
(t) (Mishnah): If he is working in the owner's house...
(u) (Beraisa): One who quarries rocks - we may buy from
anything from them;
1. Pruners of trees, vines and bushes, weeders, people
that uproot some of the vegetables where they are
growing too densely - if the owner wants what they
remove, they must give him.
(v) (Rav Yehudah): Hops and unripe fodder - one may keep them
except in places where people care about them.
1. (Ravina): In Masa Machsiya, people care about them.