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Beitzah 40

BEITZAH 36-40 (Siyum!) - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi publications for these Dafim, for the benefit of Klal Yisrael.


(a) According to Rav, fruit that is given to someone to look after, follows the Techum of the trustee.
What does Shmuel say?

(b) According to the Rabbanan in a Mishnah in Bava Kama, if Reuven authorizes Shimon to bring his belongings into his Chatzer, he automatically takes full responsibility for any damages that they sustain.
What does Rebbi say?

(c) Rav rules like the Rabbanan; Shmuel rules like Rebbi.
How do we attempt to connect their opinions here with their opinions there?

(d) We reject that contention however.
On what grounds would it be possible for ...

  1. ... Rav to say that the fruit follows the Techum of the trustee, even according to Rebbi?
  2. ... Shmuel to say that the fruit follows the Techum of the depositor, even according to the Rabbanan?
(a) How will Rav explain the Reisha of our Mishnah, which permits the trustees who are looking after the fruit of a man who lives in another town to bring it to him, provided he made an Eiruv?

(b) We answer the Seifa of our Mishnah, which permits the visiting guests to take food back with them, provided, before Shabbos, the owner placed it in their domain through a third person, in two ways; the first, like we explained the Reisha (in a.).
What is the alternative way of explaining it?

(a) What is the significance of the meat that was hung on the bolt of the door where Rav Chana bar Chanila'i? Where did the meat come from?

(b) What was Rav Chana bar Chanila'i doing there?

(c) What did Rav Huna reply when Rav Chana asked him whether he was permitted to take the meat back with him to his home-town?

(a) Why does the fact that Rav Huna was a disciple of Rav create a problem?

(b) What does the Gemara mean when it answers that 'Ibra de'Dasha' is different?

(c) We still have a problem or two with the other half of Rav Huna's statement (that if others hung up the meat on Rav Chana's behalf, he would be forbidden to take it with him).
What Kashya does ...

  1. ... Rav Hillel ask Rav Ashi from the Din of Shor shel Petem?
  2. ... Ravina ask Rav Ashi from Rebbi Dosa (like whom Rebbi Yochanan ruled on Daf 37b)?
  3. ... Rav Ashi himself ask Rav Kahana from the Mishnah of 'ha'Beheimah ve'ha'Keilim ke'Raglei ha'Ba'alim'?
(a) We conclude that Rav Chana bar Chanila'i was a great man who was deeply involved in his Torah-study. The issue no longer concerned carrying the meat back to his home-town, which Rav Huna would clearly have permitted in all cases.
What then is the issue?

(b) In that case, what difference does it make whether it was *he* who hung up the meat or someone else?

(a) Our Mishnah forbids watering and Shechting the Midbari'os, but permits watering and Shechting the Baysos.
How does the Tana of our Mishnah describe ...
  1. ... Midbari'os?
  2. ... Baysos?
(b) Why does the Tana include watering in his statement?

(c) How does the Tana of the Beraisa describe Midbari'os and Baysos?

(d) According to Rebbi, both of these are considered Baysos.
Then what are Midbari'os?

(a) Rebbi Shimon bar Rebbi asked his father about 'Patzilei Temarah.
What are Patzilei Temarah?

(b) What did Rebbi reply?

(c) What are the two conditions of 'G'rogros and Tzimukim'?

Answers to questions



(a) To answer the apparent discrepancy between Rebbi in the Beraisa, where he does *not* appear to hold of Muktzah, and Rebbi in our Mishnah, where he apparently he *does*, we answer initially that the Midbari'os in our Mishnah are comparable to G'rogros and Tzimukim. In the second answer, we assume that Rebbi really holds like he says in the Mishnah.
Then how will we explain his opinion in the Beraisa?

(b) In the third answer, he really holds like Rebbi Shimon (like he says in the Beraisa).
How will we then explain his words in the Mishnah?

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