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Beitzah 31

BEITZAH 31 - this Daf has been dedicated by Yechiel Wachtel of Har Nof, Yerushalayim, l'Iluy Nishmas his father, Reb Shimon Eliezer ben Reb Yechiel Wachtel (who passed away on 15 Elul 5757).


(a) May one break off wood from a tree on Yom-Tov to use as fire-wood?

(b) According to Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah, one may bring wood both from the field and from an enclosure (Karfaf) provided they are near the city.
What is the difference between the two concessions?

(c) Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel rules more stringently than Rebbi Yehudah. What does he say?

(d) How can he argue with a Mishnah?

2) According to Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar in the Beraisa (the author of our Mishnah), in which case do Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel ...
  1. ... agree that bringing wood into one's house is forbidden?
  2. ... agree that it is permitted?
  3. ... argue over whether one may or may not bring wood into one's house.
(a) Rava forbids bringing in light foliage on Yom-Tov, even if it was gathered before Yom-Tov.
Why is that?

(b) Under what circumstances does he permit it?

(a) We are not sure how to establish the Machlokes between Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah and Rebbi Yossi, who permits bringing in wood from the enclosure from as far as Techum Shabbos, provided there is a lock. The one side of the She'eilah is that Rebbi Yehudah requires the enclosure to be both close to the city and to have a lock.
What will Rebbi Yossi then hold?

(b) According to Rebbi Yehudah in the second side of the She'eilah, the criterion is that it is close, irrespective of whether it has a lock or not. What does Rebbi Yossi hold?

(c) Like whom do we rule, according to which side of the Sh'eilah?

(d) How do we know from the words of Rebbi Yossi ...

  1. ... 'va'Afilu be'Toch Techum Shabbos', that, according to Rebbi Yossi, that a lock is not the sole criterion ?
  2. ... 'Kol she'Nichnasin Lah be'Posachas', that Rebbi Yehudah does not require a lock at all.
5) One is not permitted to chop wood using a chopper, a saw or a scythe on Yom- Tov.
How then, is one permitted to chop wood?

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(a) What is the problem with the corollary between the Seifa (which we just discussed) and the Reisha, which forbids chopping wood from beams or from a beam which broke on Yom-Tov? How do we initially understand the Reisha?

(b) How will we then explain the two cases in the Reisha: ' ... not from beams and not from a beam which broke on Yom-Tov'?

(c) How do we amend the Reisha to conform with the Seifa? What *is* the reason for the Reisha?

(a) Rav Chinena bar Shalmaya Amar Rav restricts the prohibition of using an ax (in the Reisha of our Mishnah) to the *narrow* chopping end, but permits chopping wood with the *thick* end of an ax.
Why is this not inherent in the Seifa of the Mishnah, which permits the use of a chopping-knife?

(b) According to others, Rav Chinena Amar Rav refers to the Seifa of the Mishnah. He comes to restrict the Mishnah's concession of using a carving- knife to chop wood, to the blunt side of the knife, but use of the sharp side is forbidden.
Why is this not inherent in the Reisha of the Mishnah, which forbids the use of an ax?

(a) The Tana Kama permits taking fruit from a locked room that caved in on Yom-Tov.
Why would we have thought it should be forbidden?

(b) Will this Heter apply even when the Isur of breaking into the room at the beginning of Yom-Tov was d'Oraysa, or is it only applicable by an Isur de'Rabbanan?

(a) Rebbi Meir even permits breaking into the room on Yom-Tov.
Why does this not involve the Isur of S'tirah (demolishing)?

(b) What does Rav Nachman say with regard to bricks that remain from a building?
(c) Then why are the bricks that form the walls of the room not Muktzah, too (according to Rebbi Meir)?

(d) Why then, do the Rabbanan nevertheless forbid the removal of the bricks?

(a) Why does Shmuel ...
  1. ... permit untying the ropes that tie the door of pits and caves?
  2. ... forbid unraveling or cutting them, both on Shabbos and on Yom-Tov?
(b) What does he hold if the ropes tie doors of vessels?

(c) How will Shmuel explain the Beraisa which permits the unraveling and cutting of ropes that tie the door of pits and caves on Yom-Tov?

(d) What will Shmuel then do with the Beraisa in which the Rabbanan agree with Rebbi Meir (that the unraveling and cutting of ropes of doors that tie doors of pits and caves is permitted) - even on Yom-Tov?

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