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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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1) THE TANA OF LITRE KETZI'OS
(a) The Tana of Litre Ketzi'os holds that even a d'Rabanan
is not Batel, and certainly not a Tereifah.
2) R. ASHI'S ANSWER TO WHY THE SAFEK EGG IS ASUR
(b) R. Meir taught the Machlokes R. Eliezer and R.
1. (R. Eliezer) We view the upper part of the barrels
as separate from the lower part, adding up to 101
(c) R. Yehudah taught the Machlokes differently:
2. (R. Yehoshua) There need to be 100 Keilim of
Chulin to be Mevatel the one with Terumah.
1. (R. Eliezer) There need to be 100 barrel openings
for Bitul (but the bottoms are Kosher).
2. (R. Yehoshua) There can be no Bitul since the
openings are sold by number (even though we are
dealing with Terumah d'Rabanan).
3. All agree that there is Bitul if the Litre
Ketzi'os is packed into an unknown Igul.
i. Question: But that is the very question at
ii. Answer (R. Papa): We mean that it is in an
unknown *part* of the Igul.
(a) (R. Ashi) The Safek regarding the egg is indeed a Safek
d'Rabanan (Safek YomTov Safek Chol), but it is a Davar
SheYesh Lo Matirin which is never Batel.
3) THE VIEW OF R. ELIEZER
(a) (Acheirim citing R. Eliezer) An egg and its mother may
4) SHABBOS ADJACENT TO YOMTOV
(b) Question: What type of chicken are we speaking of?
(c) Answer: A chicken designated to be eaten.
(d) Question: Then it is obvious (R. Eliezer would not need
to teach us that Beis Shamai permits the chicken - he
need only have mentioned the egg)!?
(e) Answer: It is a chicken designated for laying eggs.
(f) Question: Then both the chicken and eggs are Asurim (R.
Eliezer disagrees with Beis Shamai and he holds of
(g) Answer (R. Zeira): R. Eliezer means that an egg laid on
YomTov may be eaten along with the chicken.
1. Question: Under what circumstances would this be
2. Answer (Abaye): In a case of an undesignated
chicken whose designation is discovered retro-
actively (he either slaughters it thus demonstrat-
ing that it was for eating, permitting its egg, or
he leaves the chicken which then remains Muktzeh).
3. Answer (R. Mari): The chicken was always
designated for eating and R. Eliezer mentioned the
chicken for emphasis (Guzma) in his dispute with
i. This can be demonstrated from the additional
phrase of R. Eliezer's cited by Acherim that
not only can the egg and chicken be eaten,
but also the chick and its shell.
ii. Question: What is meant by its shell!?
iii. Answer: It means its shell, literally.
iv. Question: But a shell is not edible!?
v. Answer: It means the chick while still in its
vi. Question: But even the most lenient position
(Rabanan who argue with R. Eliezer b. Yakov)
only permit a chick once it has hatched!?
vii. Answer: A chick and its shell is a Guzma, as
is the expression it and its mother.
(a) (Rav) An egg laid on one is prohibited on the other.
(b) (R. Yochanan) It is permitted on the other.
(c) Question: Is Rav contradicting himself and holding that
the two days are Kedushah Achas!?
1. Rav ruled like the four elders (an Eiruv may be
set for Shabbos and separately for its neighboring
(d) Answer: Rav and R. Yochanan are arguing over Hachanah
(Rav subscribes to Hachanah d'Rabah and prohibits the
egg which was prepared on a Yom Kodesh while R.
Yochanan permits it).
2. These elders follow the view (of R. Eliezer) that
Shabbos and YomTov are Shtei Kedushos.
1. This echoes the Machlokes Tanaim.
(e) R. Ada b. Ahavah was asked if eggs laid on YomTov may
be prepared for Shabbos or if they are Muktzeh.
2. (Tana Kama) The egg laid on Shabbos is permitted
on YomTov, and the reverse.
3. (R. Yehudah citing R. Eliezer) Such an egg is also
subject to the Machlokes Beis Hillel and Beis
1. R. Ada inferred that the questioner (correctly)
assumed that the eggs would be permitted on
Shabbos (like R. Yochanan), and his only question
was regarding their Muktzeh status on YomTov.
(f) R. Papa was asked on Shabbos whether eggs laid that day
would be permitted tomorrow on YomTov, and he asked the
petitioner to return the next day.
2. He ruled that, still, they are Muktzeh (and only
permitted on Shabbos, as in the cited Beraisa).
1. He put off his ruling owing to his having drunk
5) USING BRANCHES ON YOMTOV WHICH FELL DOWN ON SHABBOS
2. R. Papa was pleased that he had not jumped to
rule, in error, with the rule that the Halachah is
like R. Yochanan.
3. In fact the Halachah is like Rav in three cases
(this being one) and not like R. Yochanan.
(a) (R. Yochanan) Such branches may not be burned on
6) IF BRANCHES FELL INTO THE OVEN ON YOMTOV
(b) Question (R. Yochanan, rhetorically): Then why is the
(c) Answer: The fact that the egg (which could, in theory,
be used on Shabbos) is prohibited on Shabbos signals
that there is no Heter on YomTov for an egg laid that
(d) However, the branches which fell on Shabbos are always
prohibited and their use on YomTov may lead people to
be lenient with branches which fell on YomTov itself.
(a) (R. Masna) If branches fell directly into the oven, one
may be Mevatel them with other branches (so that the
majority of the heat derives from permitted branches).
7) ANOTHER DISPUTE OF RAV'S REGARDING AN EGG
(b) Question: But when he turns the coals, he will be
(c) Answer: The majority determines that he is moving
(d) Question: But it is not permitted to be Mevatel Isur
(e) Answer: That is only in a d'Oreisa.
(f) Question: But the branches are a Davar SheYesh Lo
Matirin (recalling R. Ashi's teaching) and should never
(g) Answer: That is only Isur b'En, not where it has been
burnt to coals.
(a) (Rav) An egg laid on the first day of YomTov is
permitted on the second (Chutz la'Aretz-Ma Nafshach).
(b) (R. Asi) It is prohibited.
(c) Question: Is R. Asi contradicting himself, given that
we know that he said Havdalah between one day of YomTov
and the next (so he must not hold Kedushah Achas)!?
(d) Answer: R. Asi conducted himself stringently
(prohibiting the egg and also reciting Havdalah) out of
doubt whether it is one Kedushah or two.
(e) (R. Zeira) R. Asi seems to be correct, given our
contemporary practice of making two days of YomTov even
when our calendars are accurate.
(f) (Abaye) Rav is correct (two Kedushos) given that we
have two days only in the times and places which are
plagued by Kusim.
1. Question: Then why, today, do we have two days?
2. Answer: Because R. Elazar ruled that those in
Bavel should maintain this practice, lest the
calendar again be lost due to oppression.