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Bava Basra 156

BAVA BASRA 156 - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Yitzchak Lubin, and for a Refu'ah Sheleimah for Chaya Miriam bas Sara and for Yehudah Baruch ben Sara Menucha. (Dedicated by Rabbi and Mrs. Lipshutz of Monsey, NY).


(a) What does Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel say about Kidushin, Gerushin, Chalitzah and Miy'unin? In what way do they differ from selling a father's property?

(b) Having examined a boy for Kidushin, why should it be necessary to examine him again for Gerushin?

(a) What is the problem with the Tana including Chalitzah in the list?

(b) In fact, he does this to preclude the opinion of Rebbi Yossi.
What does Rebbi Yossi rule about Chalitzah with regard to women?

(c) And he includes (the maximum age of) Miy'un to preclude the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say about Miy'un, that clashes with this Halachah?

(a) Finally, why does the Tana insert 've'Li'mkor be'Nechsei Aviv, ad she'Yehei ben Esrim'? What Chidush is he coming to teach us?

(b) Will this Halachah extend to property that a Yasom owns which he received as a gift from other sources or which he purchased?

(a) Do we rule like Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel in all of these cases?

(b) How do we rule with regard to the Machlokes 'Toch Z'man ... ', 'ke'Lifnei ha'Z'man' or 'ke'le'Achar ha'Z'man'?

(c) We also conclude 'Hilchesa ke'Gidal bar Menasheh', who authorizes a thirteen-year old who is conversant with salesmanship, to sell his father's property.
What is the Chidush?

(d) And we conclude 'Hilchesa ke'Mar Zutra' and 'Hilchesa ka'Ameimar'.
What did ...

  1. ... Mar Zutra say?
  2. ... Ameimar say?
(a) What does Rebbi Elazar in our Mishnah say about a Shechiv-Mera who is distributing ...
  1. ... Karka?
  2. ... Metaltelin?
(b) And what did he say about a Shechiv-Mera who gave away all his property without a Kinyan, and then died?

(c) What did the Chachamim rule in the case of the mother of the sons of Ruchel, who bequeathed her brooch to her daughter without a Kinyan, and then died?

(d) Rebbi Elazar replied by cursing the sons of Ruchel.
What did he mean by that? How did that answer the Kashya?

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(a) It is unclear whether the mother of the sons of Ruchel gave away only her brooch or in the process of giving away all her property (see Rashash).
What difference will it make to the case, according to the Chachamim?

(b) How will this affect the opinion of Rebbi Elazar?

(a) Rebbi Elazar in a Beraisa cites the case of a certain 'Maruni' (or 'Maduni') in Yerushalayim, who wanted to give away his numerous Metaltelin as a Matnas Shechiv-Mera.
What did the Chachamim advise him to do?

(b) How did he react to their advice?

(c) What did Rebbi Elazar attempt to prove from there?

(d) How did the Rabbanan counter Rebbi Elazar's proof?

(a) Why did Rebbi Elazar curse the sons of Ruchel? What did they do wrong, according to his opinion in the Mishnah in Kil'ayim?

(b) His argument was that the Arabians would retain thorns in their fields. What on earth for? Who would eat thorns?

(c) Why did we not just answer that they were sinners, who deserved to be cursed?

(d) Why do the Chachamim then permit thorns in a vineyard?

(a) Why does Rebbi Levi permit a Kinyan Shechiv-Mera to be performed, even on Shabbos?

(b) To what other reason might we have ascribed this concession?

(c) Then why don't we?

(a) Rebbi Eliezer confines the Din of 'Devarav Kayamin' of a Shechiv-Mera to Shabbos, but not to a weekday.
Why is that?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua say? Why is it a 'Kal va'Chomer' during the week?

(c) What similar ruling does Rebbi Eliezer issue with regard to 'Zachin le'Katan'?

(d) What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

(a) The author of our Mishnah is Rebbi Yehudah.
According to Rebbi Meir, when does Rebbi Eliezer permit a Matnas Shechiv-Mera?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

(c) Similarly, Rebbi Eliezer holds 'Zachin le'Gadol, ve'Ein Zachin le'Katan'.
What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

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