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Bava Basra 155

BAVA BASRA 155 (14 Elul) - This Daf has been dedicated in honor of the Yahrzeit of Yisrael (son of Chazkel and Miryam) Rosenbaum by his son and daughter and families, and in memory of Sheina Basha (daughter of Yakov and Dora) Zuckerman, who passed away on 10 Elul, by her children and sons in law.


(a) We now present Rebbi Yochanan's Kashya (from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva) on Resh Lakish differently, as we just explained.
What is the problem with Resh Lakish, who now holds 'Re'ayah be'Eidim'?

(b) Why is there no problem with Rebbi Yochanan?

(c) How does Resh Lakish resolve the problem? What Chazakah overrides the brother's argument that their deceased brother was a Katan at the time of the sale?

(a) We conclude 'Modeh bi'Sh'tar she'Kasvo, Ein Tzarich Le'kaymo'. How do we know that this applies even in a case where it is the witnesses who then attempt to disqualify the Sh'tar?

(b) According to Rava Amar Rav Nachman, a son is not permitted to sell his father's property until he reaches the age of eighteen.
What does Rav Huna bar Chin'na Amar Rav Nachman say?

(a) What does the Mishnah in Nidah say about someone who turns twenty and has not yet produced signs of maturity?

(b) In which connection is the Tana speaking?

(c) Based on this Mishnah, what does Rebbi Zeira ask from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva on Rav Huna bar Chin'na Amar Rav Nachman?

(a) To answer this Kashya, we cite Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak Amar Rav.
How does he establish the Mishnah?

(b) What does Rav Ashi prove from the words 've'Hu ha'Saris'?

(a) Does this mean that someone who neither possesses the signs of a Saris nor has grown signs of maturity, is a Katan for the rest of his life?

(b) What is the significance of the age of thirty-six?

(c) How do we reconcile this Halachah (which requires a combination of signs of maturity plus the age of eighteen or even twenty), with the Mishnah in Pirkei Avos, that considers a boy a Gadol at the age of thirteen?

(d) What would Rebbi Chiya say when they brought before him someone over the age of twenty, who had not yet matured physically?

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(a) What does Rava Amar Rav Nachman mean when he says 'Toch Z'man ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman'?

(b) What does Rava bar Shilo Amar Rav Nachman say?

(c) Rava did not actually state what we quoted him as saying. What did he rule (in the name of Rav Nachman) in the case that came before him (of a youth in his eighteenth [or twentieth]-year who had sold his father's property)?

(d) On what grounds do we refute the proof from there that he holds 'Toch Z'man ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman'? What had that teenager done to elicit this reaction from Rava?

(a) Gidal bar Menasheh asked Rava what the Din will be regarding a fourteen-year old girl who was an adept saleswoman.
Why did he ask specifically about...
  1. ... a girl, and not a boy?
  2. ... a girl of fourteen and not a girl of twelve?
(b) What did Rava reply?

(c) On what grounds do we reject the suggestion that Gidal bar Menasheh's She'eilah concerned the sale of Metaltelin? At what age is a child permitted to sell Metaltelin?

(a) When a nineteen-year old sold some of his father's property, why did his brothers advise him to eat dates in Rava's presence and throw the pits in front of him?

(b) The purchaser countered this by instructing him to say to Rav Nachman 'Megilas Esther be'Zuza, Sh'tara de'Mar be'Zuza'!
What did they mean by that?

(c) On what grounds did Rava reject the brothers' argument this he only said that because he had been taught to say it?

(d) How did Rava then reinterpret the young man's previous action (of spitting out the date-pits in front of him)?

(a) To whom is Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua referring when he validates the son of his deceased father to testify?

(b) Why does Mar Zutra confine this to Metaltelin?

(c) Does this mean that a six or seven-year old may legally testify in matters concerning Metaltelin (seeing as he is permitted to buy and sell them)?

(a) What does Ameimar say about the gift of a thirteen-year old Yasom?

(b) On what grounds does Rav Ashi object to this?

(c) How does Ameimar counter Rav Ashi's Kashya?

(d) What point is he making? In what way is a gift better than a sale?

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