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Bava Basra 145

BAVA BASRA 145 (4 Elul) - dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Chaim Yissachar (ben Yaakov) Smulewitz of Cleveland on his Yahrzeit, by his daughter and son in law, Jeri & Eli Turkel of Raanana, Israel.


(a) We have already learned that the Kesuvah of a Besulah is two hundred Zuz, and of an Almanah, one hundred (a Manah).
On what grounds does the Tana mention this in connection with a betrothed woman, when a betrothed woman does not normally receive a Kesuvah?

(b) Rebbi Nasan then says that whether or not, a woman is obligated to return her Kidushin money or not, depends upon local Minhag.
What is strange about Rebbi Yehudah ha'Nasi's subsequent statement?

(c) So how do we try to establish the Machlokes?

(d) How do we amend Rebbi Nasan's statement? What does Rebbi Yehudah ha'Nasi then say?

(a) We refute this suggestion however. On the assumption that both Tana'im agree that the woman can say 'T'nu Li Ba'ali ve'Esmach Imo', in which case do they then argue?

(b) What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(c) How do we then explain the Tana's words 'Makom she'Nahagu Lehachzir'?

(d) And we connect this Machlokes with a Machlokes Tana'im in another Beraisa. In a case where a man betrothed a woman with a Kikar, Rebbi Meir says there that if she is a Besulah, she will claim two hundred Zuz for her Kesuvah, and if she is an Almanah, a Manah.
How many Manah comprise a Kikar?

(a) What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(b) Why can the Beraisa not be speaking when ...

  1. ... the Kalah died?
  2. ... the Chasan died?
(c) The Tana must therefore be speaking about a Kalah who committed adultery.
Why can he not be referring to an Eishes Yisrael who ...
  1. ... committed adultery?
  2. ... was raped?
(d) We finally establish the Beraisa by an Eishes Kohen who was raped.
What is now the basis of the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah?
(a) Rebbi Yossi is cited as a third opinion in the Beraisa.
What does he say in a case where her husband betrothed her with ...
  1. ... twenty Shekalim (eighty Zuz or Dinrim)?
  2. ... thirty Shekalim (a hundred and twenty Zuz)?
(b) Assuming that we are speaking about an Almanah, what is the significance of these amounts?

(c) What is Rebbi Yossi's reasoning? Why must she return half the Kidushin money?

(a) How did the Neherda'i interpret Rav Yosef bar Minyumi Amar Rav Nachman's statement that Bavel is a place where the Minhag is for the Kalah to return the Kidushin money?

(b) As far as the rest of Bavel is concerned, Rabah and Rav Yosef say 'Mohari Hadri, Kidushi Lo Hadri'. What is the difference between Mohari and Sivlonos?

(a) Rav Papa rules that irrespective of which of them dies, Mohari must be returned, and the same will apply if either of them retracts.
What is then the difference between the Chasan retracting and the Kalah?

(b) Ameimar disagrees with the final ruling of Rav Papa.
What does *he* say?

(c) On what grounds does Rav Ashi attempt to refute Ameimar's opinion? (d) We conclude however, that Rav Ashi is a joke.
Why is that?

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(a) The Beraisa lists five specifications pertaining to Shushbinus. The first three are; that it can be claimed in Beis-Din; that it must be repaid in its time and that it is not subject to Ribis.
What are the final two?

(b) It can be claimed in Beis-Din, because it is considered a loan, and a Bechor cannot claim double, because it is Ra'uy, as we already learned. But why is it not subject to ...

  1. ... Ribis?
  2. ... cancellation in the Sh'mitah-year?
(a) Rav Kahana presents the rules of Shushbinus (with regard to reciprocation). If Reuven participated in Shimon's wedding, Shimon is obligated to reciprocate as long as he is in town. What does Rav Kahana mean when he says 'Shama Kal Tivla, Iba'i Leih le'Meisei'?

(b) Is Shimon obligated to fulfill his Shushbinus (to send gifts) even if he did not hear the bells ringing?

(c) How much may he deduct from the value of the presents if he was unaware that Reuven's wedding was taking place?

(d) That is the minimum however.
Under which circumstances may he deduct ...

  1. ... as much as half?
  2. ... anything in between?
9) What does the Tana of the Beraisa say about a case where Shimon ...
  1. ... made a big wedding, and Reuven is now making a small one, perhaps because times are tough?
  2. ... married a Besulah, and Shimon is now marrying an Almanah?
  3. ... celebrated a second wedding, whilst Reuven is now celebrating his first?
  4. ... married one woman, and Reuven is now about to marry two (on two different occasions [see Tosfos DH 'Asah'])?
(a) The Beraisa writes 'Atir Nichsin, Atir Pumbi, Zeh Hu Ba'al Agados'.
What does he mean by that? Why does he refer to a Ba'al Agados in this way?

(b) What is an 'Atir Sil'in, Atir Taku'a'? To whom is the Tana referring?

(c) Besides comparing such a person to someone who owns much property (like in the Pasuk in Vayishlach "ve'Ya'akov Taka Ohalo"), what else might 'Atir Taku'a' mean?

(a) What does 'Anshei Mashach Atir Kamas' mean?

(b) To whom does it refer?

(c) Who is the Tana referring to when he says 'ha'Kol Tzerichin le'Mari Chitaya'? What does this mean?

(a) Why does Rebbi Zeira Amar Rav attribute the Pasuk "Kol Yemei Ani Ra'im" to the Ba'al Gemara, and "ve'Tov Leiv Mishteh Tamid" to the Ba'al Mishnah?

(b) Rava reverses the D'rashos, to conform with Rav Mesharshaya, who explains the Pasuk in Koheles "Masi'a Avanim Ye'atzev Bahem, Boke'a Eitzim Yisachen Bam".
What does the Pasuk mean?

(c) How does Rav Mesharshaya explain ...

  1. ... "Masi'a Avanim Ye'atzev Bahem"?
  2. ... "Boke'a Eitzim Yisachen Bam"?
(d) On what basis does Rava reverse the D'rashos? What edge does the Ba'al Gemara have over the Ba'al Mishnah?
(a) Rebbi Chanina attributes the Pasuk "Kol Yemei Ani Ra'im" to someone who has a bad wife, and Rebbi Yochanan, to a finicky person. How do they then interpret "ve'Tov Leiv Mishteh Tamid" respectively?

(b) Rebbi Yochanan attributes "Kol Yemei Ani Ra'im" to someone who is excessively merciful, and "ve'Tov Leiv Mishteh Tamid" to one who is cruel (whom nothing can move). The final explanation of this Pasuk is given by Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi.
To whom does he attribute the two phrases?

(c) In spite of the fact that everyone has food for Shabbos and Yom-Tov (when the Gaba'ei Tzedakah provide the poor with their needs for the week), Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi explains "Kol Yemei Ani Ra'im" like Shmuel.
What does Shmuel say about 'Shinuy Veses'?

(d) Shlomoh Hamelech says "Kol Yemei Ani Ra'im", implying that at nighttime, they enjoy their rest and forget their suffering.
What did ben Sira say about that?

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