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Bava Basra 101

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(a) Rebbi Shimon differs radically from the Tana Kama, whose opinion we have just discussed.
According to him, how many ...
  1. ... caves would Reuven need to dig for Shimon in the Chatzer?
  2. ... Kuchin would be required in each cave?
(b) And what will therefore be the measurements of each cave?

(c) Why, according to both Tana'im, does the Chatzer need to be six by six Amos?

(d) How many Chatzeros would Reuven need to dig according to Rebbi Shimon?

(a) The Tana first discusses the Din of a cave, then the Chatzer and then the two caves that flank the Chatzer.
Can we extrapolate from this that according to the Tana Kama, Reuven had to dig three caves?

(b) Then why did the Tana choose to begin with the Din of the cave, before that of the Chatzer?

(c) Raban Shimon ben Gamliel says at the conclusion of our Mishnah 'ha'Kol K'fi ha'Sela'.
What does he mean by that?

(a) The two extra Kuchin, according to Raban Shimon, cannot be situated on the side adjoining the Chatzer, actually dug into the floor of the Chatzer for two reasons, one of them because 'ha Misdashi Lehu'.
What do we mean by this?

(b) What is the second objection?

(c) We object to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina's explanation that one digs them there, only vertically, like a bolt (so that the bodies are buried in a standing position) on the basis of a statement of Rebbi Yochanan.
How did Rebbi Yochanan refer to such a burial?

(d) Where in fact, are the two extra Kuchin (of Rebbi Shimon) situated, according to Rebbi Yochanan?

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(a) What would we gain by explaining the 'Keren Zavis' of Rebbi Yochanan to mean in the corner beside the entrance of the cave, jutting out diagonally between the wall of the entrance and the side adjacent to it?

(b) In that case besides the fact that this does not fit the description 'Keren Zavis', on what grounds do we reject it?

(c) We query this on the grounds that those two diagonal Kuchin are then bound to touch the two Kuchin on either side of them.
How does Rav Ashi ...

  1. ... resolve this problem?
  2. ... prove his point from other Kuchin in the two caves?
(d) Then why does Reuven only dig these four Kuchin at a lower level? Why is he not obligated to dig another complete set of Kuchin underneath the first one?
(a) Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua attempts to solve our problem with Rebbi Shimon by establishing that the four Kuchin along the two lengths of the caves are dug 'ka'Charuta'.
What does he mean by that? What are 'Charuta'?

(b) What does he gain with this explanation?

(a) Despite the advantage of Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua's explanation, we dismiss it as a joke.
Why is that?

(b) By how much does the hypotenuse of a triangle whose other two sides are equal exceed them?

(c) In that case, what exactly is the problem with Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua, translated into practical terms?

(a) We find another way of eliminating the need to dig two levels of Kuchin (according to Rebbi Shimon), by citing Rav Shisha B'rei de'Rav Idi.
What kind of Kuchin does Rav Shisha refer to later in the Sugya, which we can now apply to the four Kuchin in question?

(b) When all's said and done, there will not be a space of an Amah between the Kuchin concerned and the full-size ones.
Why is this not a problem?

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