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Bava Basra 82

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(a) Rav Acha B'rei de'Rav Ivya asked Rav Ashi why the Tana'im rule 'Meivi ve'Eino Korei' (for the reason that we gave earlier)? Why can the owner not read the Parshah even when there is a Safek?
What did Rav Ashi reply?

(b) In that case, why are we not worried about Mechzi ke'Shikra whenever we Lein the Parshah of Bikurim?

(c) Rav Mesharshaya B'rei de'Rav Chiya is not worried about Mechzi ke'Shikra.
What reason does he give for the ruling of 'Eino Korei'?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah (in connection with Shimon, who purchased two trees from Reuven), 'ha'Oleh min ha'Geza, She'lo, u'min ha'Sharashim, shel Ba'al ha'Karka'.
How does Rebbi Yochanan interpret 'min ha'Geza' and 'min ha'Sharashim'?

(b) What is the problem with this explanation as it stands?

(c) How do Rav Nachman and Rebbi Yochanan therefore reinterpret 'Harei Eilu She'lo'?

(a) Rav Nachman stated (in connection with Shimon who purchased one or two trees in Reuven's field) 'Naktinan, Dekel Ein Lo Geza'.
What does 'Naktinan' mean?

(b) How does Rav Z'vid explain Rav Nachman's statement? What makes a date-palm worse than any other tree?

(a) On what grounds does Rav Papa refute Rav Z'vid's explanation?

(b) So how does Rav Papa interpret Rav Nachman?

(c) If by chance, some branches do grow from the foot of the date palm, do they belong to Shimon?

(d) How will Rav Z'vid establish our Mishnah to counter Rav Papa's Kashya?

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(a) Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan lists three areas of ground that Shimon acquires together with the three trees that he bought.
What are they?

(b) How much does 'Chutzah Lo' incorporate?

(c) What did Rebbi Elazar ask on Rebbi Yochanan from 'Derech'?

(d) Why is there less reason to give a purchaser ki'Melo Orah ve'Salo to his tree than a Derech to his pit?

(a) Rebbi Zeira extrapolates from his Rebbe, Rebbi Elazar's Kashya that if Shimon bought two trees from Reuven, he has automatic rights to a path through Reuven's field to get to them.
On what does he base this statement?

(b) What does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak mean when he asks Rava whether Rebbi Elazar argued with his Rebbe Shmuel, who rules 'Halachah ke'Rebbi Akiva'? To which principle was he referring?

(a) Rava replies that in any case, the author of our Mishnah cannot be Rebbi Akiva (in which case Rebbi Elazar's ruling will not necessarily reflect his personal opinion).
Why is that? To which Halachah is *he* referring?

(b) We query Rava's reply, however, on the grounds that even Rebbi Akiva will concede to the Din of 'Higdilu Yashpeh'.
Why is that? Why is there more reason for the seller to cut off Shimon's overhanging branches than to allow him access to his pit?

(c) How do we prove this from the Mishnah in Lo Yachpor? What does the Mishnah say there in the case of a branch of Shimon's tree, which juts out over Reuven's field and which is low enough to interfere with Reuven's plowing?

(a) What have we now proved? Does Rebbi Elazar concur with Shmuel or not?

(b) Bearing in mind the S'tam Mishnah in 'Lo Yachpor', what will Rebbi Akiva say about 'Chutzah Lahen, ki'Melo Orah ve'Salo'?

(c) Can the author of the Reisha of our Mishnah regarding the Din of someone who buys two trees, be Rebbi Akiva?

(d) How do we know that the Halachah is like Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan, even as regards 'ki'Melo Orah ve'Salo'?

(a) Abaye asked Rav Yosef who has the right to sow the space of 'ki'Melo Orah ve'Salo'. Why did he restrict the She'eilah to the case of 'Chutzah Lahen'? Why did he not extend it to 'Tachteihen u'Beinehen'?

(b) Rav Yosef replied with a Mishnah in ha'Mocher Peiros.
What does the Mishnah say there with regard to Reuven who owns a garden within Shimon's garden? Who may sow the path?

(a) On what grounds does Abaye refute Rav Yosef's proof? Why might Reuven object to Shimon sowing his path in the latter case less than to him sowing the area outside his (Reuven's) tree in ours?

(b) So Abaye compares our case to the Seifa there.
What does the Tana say in a case where Beis-Din gave Shimon a path at the side of the field with the consent of both parties?

(c) What makes that case more similar to ours than that of the Reisha?

(d) In the Reisha of the Mishnah in 'ha'Mocher Peiros', how does the owner of the inner-garden get to his garden, when the seeds are growing?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah that someone who purchases three trees, acquires the ground in between as well. Rav Yosef Amar Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel restricts the space between the trees to a minimum of four Amos and a maximum of eight.
What does Rava Amar Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel say?

(b) What is the significance of Rav Yosef's minimum Shiur of four Amos?

(c) Are the larger Shiurim of eight or sixteen Amos inclusive or exclusive?
Do they include the width of the trees?

(d) Why will the Din differ if the space between the trees is ...

  1. ... less?
  2. ... more?
(a) Abaye advised Rav Yosef not to argue with Rav Nachman, since he had the support of a Mishnah in Kil'ayim.
What Shiur does the Tana there give before one is permitted to sow other seeds in a vineyard? Why is it then permitted?

(b) How come that Rav Yosef was not aware of this Mishnah (according to Abaye's understanding)?

(c) Rebbi Yehudah supports the Tana Kama with an incident that occurred in Tzalmon.
What did that man used to do with his vineyard that was planted in rows sixteen Amos apart?

(d) How did Rebbi Yehudah know that what that man did was acceptable?

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