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Bava Basra 72

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(a) What does the Beraisa rule in a case where someone declares three trees in a Beis Sa'ah (out of ten) Hekdesh?

(b) What area of land will each tree require to nurture in such a case?

(c) Why must the Tana be speaking about saplings (and not fully-grown trees)?

(d) The going rate for the redemption of one's inherited property is fifty Shekel per Chomer.
How much does he pay per tree in this case? How much is a Chomer?

(a) The Din will differ in three cases; either if the trees are planted in a smaller area ('Pachos mi'Ka'an'), or if they are planted in a larger area ('Yeser al Kein').
What is the third case?

(b) What is the Din in these three cases?

(c) Why does the Din have to differ in the case of ...

  1. ... 'Pachos mi'Ka'an'?
  2. ... 'Yeser al Kein'?
(d) What does the Tana mean when he adds to the Seifa 've'Lo Od Ela Afilu Hikdish es ha'Ilanos ve'Chazar ve'Hikdish es ha'Karka'? What is he referring to?
(a) Why can the author of this Beraisa (the case of two trees) not be ...
  1. ... Rebbi Akiva?
  2. ... the Rabbanan?
(b) Then who is the author of the Beraisa?

(c) What is then the basis of the Machlokes between Rebbi Shimon and the Tana Kama in our Mishnah?

(a) By establishing Rebbi Shimon like the Rabbanan of Rebbi Akiva, what is the Kashya on Rav Huna ('Machar Karka ve'Shiyer Sh'nei Ilanos Lefanav, Yesh Lo Karka')?

(b) What do we then mean when we ask 've'Ela Kashya' then mean?

(a) How do we answer this Kashya? What *is* Rebbi Shimon saying to the Tana Kama of our Mishnah?

(b) And what does the Tana Kama reply?

(c) This answers adequately the contradiction in Rebbi Shimon.
Have we also answered the Kashya on Rav Huna?

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(a) What do we mean when we say that Rebbi Shimon 'Azil Basar Pidyon'?

(b) What Kashya does this then pose on the Seifa of the previous Beraisa ('ve'Lo Od, Ela Afilu Hikdish es ha'Ilanos ve'Chazar ve'Hikdish es ha'Karka'), whose author we just established as Rebbi Shimon?

(a) What is the going rate for the redemption of a purchased field the buyer declared Hekdesh?

(b) What do Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Shimon learn from the Pasuk in Bechukosai "ve'Im es S'deih Miknaso Asher Lo mi'S'deih Achuzaso Hu"?

(c) From the same Pasuk, Rebbi Meir learns - that only if Reuven declared the field Hekdesh *after his father died* is it considered a S'deih Achuzah (but not if he did so before).
Why do we initially think that Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Shimon do not require a Pasuk for Rebbi Meir's case?

(d) This is the source of the problem with establishing the previous Beraisa like Rebbi Shimon (as we just asked).
What is the proof that 'Azlinan Basar Pidyon' must be a S'vara (according to Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Shimon)?

(a) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak answers by Darshening two D'rashos from the Pasuk "ve'Im es S'deih Miknaso Asher Lo mi'S'deih Achuzaso ... ".
What does he learn (according to Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Shimon) from ...
  1. ... the superfluous phrase ("Asher Lo mi'Sdeih Achuzaso ... ")?
  2. ... the word "mi'S'deih" (or from the 'Mem' alone)?
(b) How does this solve the current problem?
(a) Rav Huna considers a Ch'ruv ha'Murkav and a Sadan ha'Shikmah as both a tree and a field.
In what sense does he consider them ...
  1. ... a tree? Why is that?
  2. ... a field?
(b) He also considers a haystack comprising two Sa'ah as both a sheaf and a haystack.
In what sense is it considered ...
  1. ... a sheaf?
  2. ... a haystack?
(c) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "ve'Shachachta *Omer* ba'Sadeh"?
(a) What Machlokes is Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Resh Lakish referring to when he says that 'Ch'ruv ha'Murkav and Sadan ha'Shikmah are subject to the Machlokes between Rebbi Menachem b'Rebbi Yossi and the Rabbanan?

(b) What does Rebbi Menachem b'Rebbi Yossi say in this connection with regard to a Ch'ruv or a Sadan that nurtures from a field that someone is Makdish?

(c) Why did Resh Lakish cite Rebbi Menachem b'Rebbi Yossi and the Rabbanan rather than Rebbi Shimon and the Rabbanan?

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