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Bava Basra 14

BAVA BASRA 14 & 15 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) The Beraisa says 'Techilas ha'Sefer ve'Sofo' K'dei La'gul'.
Based on the Beraisa that we just learned, what is the problem with this statement?

(b) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak answers 'li'Tzedadin Katani'.
What does he mean by that?

(c) According to Rav Ashi's answer, the Tana is talking (not about Torah, Nevi'im and Kesuvim, but) about Torah alone.
How does this answer the Kashya? What distinction does the Beraisa draw between Sifrei Torah and other Sefarim?

(d) What testimonial did Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok give with regard to this ruling?

(a) What does the Beraisa say about the corollary between the length of a Sefer-Torah and its circumference?

(b) Rebbi gave the length of a Sefer-Torah written on G'vil as six Tefachim. What is the difference between G'vil and K'laf?

(c) What length did he prescribe for a Sefer-Torah written on K'laf (for its circumference to equal its length)?

(d) Out of seventy Sifrei-Torah that Rav Huna wrote on K'laf, only one of them fitted Rebbi's specifications. Rav Acha bar Ya'akov wrote only one, yet he managed to get it right first time? On what did he write it? What happened to him as a result?

(a) What did Rav Hamnuna retort, when the Rabbanan told him that Rebbi Ami wrote four hundred Sifrei-Torah?

(b) And what did Rebbi Zeira retort when Rava told him that Rebbi Yanai planted four hundred vineyards?

(c) In which regard is this considered a vineyard, in the Mishnah in Sotah?

(a) According to Rebbi Meir in a Beraisa, each Amah of the Aron that Moshe made (2 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/2) comprised six Tefachim. How much space remained inside the Aron (lengthwise [excluding the thickness of the walls]) after the Luchos were placed inside it side by side along the length of the Aron? What were the measurements of the Luchos?

(b) How thick were the walls of the Aron?

(c) How do we learn from the Pasuk in Melachim "Ein ba'Aron Rak Sh'nei Luchos ha'Avanim" that the Sefer-Torah was placed inside the Aron, too?

(d) Widthwise, the Torah took up six of the eight Tefachim space inside the Aron.
What was the purpose of this empty space?

(a) Rebbi Yehudah concedes that the Amah of the Luchos comprised six Tefachim, but he argues with Rebbi Meir over the Amos of the Aron. How many Tefachim did each Amah of the Aron comprise, according to him?

(b) The total length of the Aron was therefore twelve and a half Tefachim. According to him ...

  1. ... how wide were the walls?
  2. ... how much space remained inside the Aron once the Luchos were inside it?
(c) After deducting the six Tefachim taken up by the Luchos across the width of the Aron, how much space now remained inside the Aron? Which two articles filled that space?
(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah, where was the Sefer-Torah placed? On what was it placed?

(b) Rebbi Yehudah learns this from the Pasuk in Vayeilech "Lako'ach es Sefer ha'Torah ha'Zos ve'Samtem Oso *mi'Tzad* ha'Aron B'ris Hashem".
According to him, what does the Pasuk "Ein ba'Aron Rak Sh'nei Luchos Avanim" come to include? What else was placed inside the Aron besides the Luchos?

(c) Where were they placed?

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(a) We learned earlier that a Sefer-Torah is rolled on two Atzei Chayim to the middle.
What problem does that pose on Rebbi Meir?

(b) How does Rav Acha bar Ya'akov answer this Kashya?

(c) And how does Rav Ashi answer the Kashya that in any event, how can an object of two Tefachim fit into a space of two Tefachim?

(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah, where was the Sefer-Torah placed before the episode with the P'lishtim?

(b) And according to Rebbi Meir ...

  1. ... how will we explain the term *"mi'Tzad* Aron B'ris Hashem"?
  2. ... where were the silver rods placed?
  3. ... from where do we know that the broken Luchos were also placed inside the Aron? How does he explain the Pasuk in Shmuel "Asher Nikra Shem Shem Hashem Tzevakos Yoshev ha'Keruvim Alav"?
(c) To explain what Rebbi Yehudah includes from this Pasuk, we cite Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai.
What else, according to him, was placed inside the Aron?

(d) We conclude that Rebbi Meir too, agrees with Rebbi Yehudah in this point.
What does he then learn from the Pasuk in Ki Sisa "Asher Shibarta ... ve'Samtem"?

(e) What does Rebbi Yehudah Darshen from "Asher Shibarta"?

(a) The Beraisa lists the Sefarim of T'nach. The first four Sefarim in Nevi'im are Yehoshua, Shoftim, Shmuel and Melachim.
What are the second four?

(b) What does the Navi mean when he writes "Techilas Diber Hashem es Hoshe'a"? Was Hoshe'a really the first Navi that Hashem ever spoke to?

(c) Then why is his Sefer listed in the T'rei-Asar after those of Yirmiyah, Yechezkel and Yeshayah?

(d) Why indeed is it listed as part of the T'rei-Asar? Why is not a separate Sefer which could then precede Yeshayah?

(a) What is the chronological sequence of the Nevi'im, Yirmiyah, Yechezkel and Yeshayah?

(b) Then why is ...

  1. ... Yirmiyah listed before Yeshayah?
  2. ... Yeshayah listed only after Yechezkel?
(a) Kesuvim comprises eleven Sefarim. Iyov, Mishlei, Koheles, Shir Hashirim, Eichah, Daniel and Esther comprise the middle seven.
What are ...
  1. ... the first two?
  2. ... the last two?
(b) The sequence of the Sefarim in Kesuvim is clear (as we shall see shortly) assuming that Iyov was written in the days of the Queen of Sheba. But if Iyov lived in the days of Moshe, as some maintain, why is his Sefer not the first in Kesuvim?

(c) But surely, Rus is full of punishment, too?

(d) How does Rebbi Yochanan explain the name 'Rus'?

(a) Moshe wrote the Chumash, Parshas Bil'am (see Rabeinu Gershom) and Iyov (assuming that Iyov lived in his days, or even in the days of Avraham, as others maintain).
What did Yehoshua write, besides his own Sefer?

(b) Which two Sefarim (one in Nevi'im and one in Kesuvim) did Shmuel write besides his own?

(c) David wrote Tehilim with the help of ten Zekeinim. Six of them were Malki-Tzedek, Avraham, Moshe, Heiman, Yedusun and Asaf.
Who were the other three?

(d) Besides his own Sefer, which other two Sefarim (one in Nevi'im and one in Kesuvim) did Yirmiyah write?

(a) Which three Sefarim (all in Kesuvim), besides Yeshayah (who was murdered [see Tosfos DH 'Yirmiyah']) did Chizkiyah and his contemporaries (those who survived him) write?

(b) Why are Mishlei and Koheles ascribed to Chizkiyah (see Tosfos DH Chizkiyah')?

(c) And which two Sefarim (both in Kesuvim), besides Yechezkel and the T'rei-Asar, did the Anshei Kenesses ha'Gedolah write?

(a) What does the Tana mean when he says that Ezra wrote his Sefer until Lo?

(b) This bears out a statement made by Rav Yehudah Amar Rav.
What did Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say with regard to Ezra's Aliyah to Eretz Yisrael?

(c) Who completed Sefer Divrei Hayamim?

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