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Bava Basra 10

BAVA BASRA 9 & 10 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy Nishmas Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah.


(a) What answer would Rebbi Meir have given to the person who asked him why, if Hashem loves the poor, He does not sustain them?

(b) When Rebbi Akiva gave Turnusrufus the Rasha the same answer, he responded with a Mashal of a king who became angry with his slave, locked him up and gave orders not to feed him, and along came someone and fed him.
What Mashal did Rebbi Akiva relate to counter that of Turnusrufus?

(c) How did Turnusrufus try to resolve the Pasuk in Behar "Ki Li B'nei Yisrael Avadim, Avadai Heim ... " with the Pasuk in Re'ei "Banim Atem la'Hashem Elokeichem"? Why did this lead him to believe that his theory was the right one?

(d) How did Rebbi Akiva counter Turnusrufus argument, based on the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ha'Lo P'ros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha ... "?

(a) What does Rebbi Yehudah b'Rebbi Shalom say about Hashem's judgment on Rosh Hashanah with regard to gains and losses?

(b) In this connection, he goes on to Darshen the Pasuk "ha'Lo P'ros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha, va'Aniyim Merudim Tavi Bayis", which is manifest in the story of Raban Yochanan ben Zakai and his nephews.
What did Raban Yochanan ben Zakai dream about his nephews one Motza'ei Rosh Hashanah?

(c) Throughout the year, he pursuaded them to keep giving Tzedakah (so as to fulfill the dream in the finest possible way).
What happened to the seventeen Zuzim that they were still short the following Erev Yom-Kipur?

(d) When Raban Yochanan ben Zakai reassured them that they were not destined to lose any more, and told them about his dream, they asked him why he did not inform them about the dream earlier, in which case they would have given all the money of their own free will.
What was his reply?

(a) What is the significance of someone nowadays, falling off a ladder to his death?

(b) How does this explain why Rav Papa felt faint when his foot slipped as he was climbing a ladder, and he almost fell to his death?

(c) Rav Chiya bar Rav consoled him however, by citing a Beraisa by Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah.
What does he extrapolate from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Hishamer Lecha Pen Yih'yeh Davar Im Levavcha *Beliya'al*", and "Yatz'u Anashim B'nei *Beliya'al*" (both in Re'ei)?

(a) According to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Yossi, based on a Pasuk in Yirmiyah, swhat is it that brings peace and causes the angels to speak in defense of Yisrael?

(b) And what does Rebbi Yehudah learn from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Shimru Mishpat va'Asu Tzedakah, Ki Kerovah Yeshu'asi La'vo ve'Tzidkasi Le'higalos"?

(a) Rebbi Yehudah lists ten things that are progressively 'strong'.
What can smash a mountain?

(b) If fire melts iron and water puts out fire, what contains water?

(c) Wind disperses clouds and the body contains wind.
What breaks the body?

(d) Wine softens fear and sleep dispels wine.
What is more powerful than ...

  1. ... sleep?
  2. ... death?
(a) Rebbi Dusta'i b'Rebbi Yanai explains how, based on a Pasuk in Tehilim, giving a P'rutah to a poor man demonstrates the difference between the Midah of Hashem and that of a human king.
What does he in fact, learn from the Pasuk "Ani be'Tzedek Echzeh Panecha"?

(b) What did Rebbi Elazar used to do before Davenning, based on the same Pasuk?

(c) How does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak interpret the continuation of the Pasuk "Esbe'ah be'Hakitz Temunasecha"?

(d) What observation did Rebbi Yochanan make regarding the Pasuk in Mishlei "Malveh Hashem Chonen Dal"?

(a) The Pasuk "u'Tzedakah Tatzil mi'Maves" occurs twice in Mishlei, once after "Lo Yo'il Hon be'Yom Evrah", and once after that of "Lo Yo'ilu Otzros Rasha".
How does Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan interpret this?
Which two calamities does Tzedakah save from?

(b) To which of the two calamities does "Yom Evrah" refer?

(c) How must one give Tzedakah in order to be spared a horrible death?

(d) How does one achieve this?

(e) Mar Ukva used to give Tzedakah in a way that although the poor man did not know from he was receiving, he knew to whom he was giving; whereas Rebbi Aba used to give in a way that although he did not know to whom he was giving, the poor man knew from whom he was receiving.
How did ...

  1. ... Mar Ukva used to distribute Tzedakah?
  2. ... Rebbi Aba used to distribute it?
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(a) In order to father male sons, Rebbi Elazar in a Beraisa suggests that one 'scatters one's money' for Tzedakah.
What does Rebbi Yehoshua prescribe?

(b) Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov, in the same Beraisa, forbids one to put Tzedakah in the purse of the Gabai unless he is of the calibre of Rebbi Chananya ben Teradyon.
How do we reconcile this with our previosus statement, encouraging one to give Tzedakah in a way that neither the donor nor the recipient know each other's identity?

(c) According to Rebbi Avahu, what did Hashem reply when Moshe asked Him how to boost Yisrael's prestige (by counting them)?

(d) What did Shlomoh Hamelech (who lived long before Yeshayah) mean when he stated the Pasuk (quoted later by Yeshayah) "ve'Neged Zekeinav Kavod"?

(a) What did Rav Yosef B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua ...
  1. ... mean when he said that he saw a topsy-turvy world?
  2. ... reply when his father asked him how the Rabbanan looked there?
(b) Who was described there as 'Ashrei' (praiseworthy)?

(c) In whose vicinity can nobody stand?

(d) This could hardly refer to the martyrs of the caliber of Rebbi Akiva, in whose vicinity nobody can stand anyway.
Then to whom does it refer?

(a) Raban Yochanan ben Zakai asked his Talmidim to explain the Pasuk in Mishlei "Tzedakah Teromem Goy, ve'Chesed Le'umim Chatas"? How did Rebbi Eliezer, Rebbi Yehoshua and Raban Gamliel all establish "Tzedakah Teromem Goy"?

(b) Rebbi Eliezer explains "ve'Chesed Le'umim Chatas" as pertaining to the kings of the nations of the world, who perform Tzedakah and Chesed because they aspire to greatness.
What does the Beraisa say about someone who gives Tzedakah so that his sons should live or in order to earn a portion in Olam ha'Ba?

(c) Then why does the Pasuk describe the charitable acts of a Nochri kings as "Chatas"?

(d) Rebbi Yehoshua and Raban Gamliel differ slightly with Rebbi Eliezer. Rebbi Yehoshua explains that the Tzedakah and Chesed performed by the kings is done in order to prolong their reigns (as we find in connection with Nevuchadnetzar).
How does Raban Gamliel put it?

(e) What does the Pasuk in Mishlei say about someone who is vain?

(a) However, Raban Gamliel concluded, we still need the opinion of Rebbi Elazar ha'Mudai.
Why was he called by that name?

(b) What did the latter learn from Nevuzradan's words, which he cited (in Yirmiyah) even as he performed a Chesed (see Tosfos DH 'va'Yavo')?

(c) What did Nevuzradan say?

(d) Rebbi Nechunyah ben Hakanah interprets "Chesed" differently than the previous Tana'im.
How does *he* explain the Pasuk?

(a) Raban Yochanan ben Zakai's interpretation of the Pasuk is even more radical.
How does he explain the Pasuk?

(b) What did Raban Yochanan ben Zakai say about Rebbi Nechunyah ben Hakanah's explanation? What did he mean (see Agados Maharsha)?

(c) When Ifra Hurmiz, the mother of Shavur Malka (King of Persia) sent money to Rebbi Ami to distribute to Tzedakah, he refused to accept it.
What did Rava subsequently do that caused his ire?

(d) Rebbi Ami's refusal was based on the Pasuk in Yeshayah "bi'Yevosh Ketzirah Tishavarnah, Nashim Ba'os Meiros Osah".
What do we learn from this Pasuk?

(a) Why did Rava accept the money from Ifra Hurmiz? Did he not agree with Rebbi Ami's interpretation of the Pasuk in Yeshayah?

(b) Seeing as Rava's decision was based on Shalom Malchus, why was Rebbi Ami angry with Rava? Did he not hold of Shalom Malchus?

(c) What then, was the basis of their misunderstanding?

(d) If Rava could distribute the Tzedakah that Ifra Hurmiz sent to Nochrim, why could Rav Yosef not do the same, when she sent him money in order to perform a 'Mitzvah Rabah' (earlier in the Perek)?

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