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Bava Basra 9

BAVA BASRA 9 & 10 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy Nishmas Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah.


(a) What did a certain syndicate of butchers, who took turns to Shecht and sell animals on a daily rota basis, agree to do in the event that one of their group would operate on a day that was not his?

(b) When one of them actually contravened the rules, they duly tore the animal-skin to shreds. Rava however, obligated them to pay.
What was Rava's reaction when Rav Yeimar bar Shalmaya queried Rava from the Beraisa (that we recently cited) 'u'Le'hasi'a al Kitzasan'?

(c) How did Rav Papa explain Rava's silence? Was it a sign of acquiescence?

(a) The Beraisa permits both Gaba'ei Tzedakah and Gizbarei Hekdesh to operate unchecked. The Pasuk in Melachim "ve'Lo Yechashvu es ha'Anashim ... Ki be'Emunah Heim Osim" explicitly teaches us this with regard to the latter.
Why is this only a hint with regard to Gaba'i Tzedakah, and not a real proof?

(b) Based on the above Pasuk ''va'Yatzuru va'Yimnu ... ", what does Rebbi Elazar advise a person to do, even though the secretary running his financial affairs is perfectly reliable?

(c) Rav Huna permits checking the credentials of someone who asks for food, but not if he comes in tatters and asks for clothes. He learns this from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ha'Lo *P'ros* la'Ra'ev Lachmecha", which really means 'give a piece', but we interpret it as if it was written with a 'Sin', and then explain as if it was punctuated with a 'Shin' (P'rosh, implying, ask him for an explanation [see Mesores ha'Shas]).
How do we then explain ...

  1. ... the Pasuk there "Ki Sir'eh Arum ve'Chisiso".
  2. ... the logic behind this distinction?
(d) Rav Yehudah learns the other way round. The logic behind this is because a naked person suffers embarrassment, whereas a hungry one does not.
How does Rav Huna now interpret ...
  1. ... "ha'Lo *P'ros* la'Ra'ev Lachmecha"?
  2. ... "*Ki Sir'eh* Arum ve'Chisiso"?
(e) Whose opinion has the support of a Beraisa?
(a) We learned in a Mishnah in Pe'ah that the Gaba'im should provide a poor traveler with a minimum of a loaf worth a Pundiyon, when four Sa'ah of wheat go for a Sela. There are forty-eight Pundeyonin in a Sela, how many ...
  1. ... Kabin are there in a Sa'ah?
  2. ... half-Kabin in four Sa'ah?
(b) How much would ...
  1. ... the baker normally take as profit?
  2. ... much would the poor man then actually receive?
(c) If the poor man stayed overnight, they would also provide him with Parnasas Linah.
What is 'Parnasas Linah'?
(a) What does the Beraisa say about a poor man who goes from door to door?

(b) What objection did Rav Yeiva raise when Rav Papa observed the Beraisa's ruling to the letter, refusing to provide a poor man from out of town with anything from the local funds, because he was going from door to door?

(c) How did Rav Yeiva justify his objection in view of the Beraisa?

(d) Based on a Pasuk in Nechemyah, what is the minimum annual sum that Rav Asi prescribes for the Mitzvah of Tzedakah?

(a) What does Rav Asi infer from the Lashon "Mitzvos" used by the previous Pasuk?

(b) And what does Rebbi Elazar infer from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ve'Hayah Ma'aseh ha'Tzedakah Shalem"?

(a) What happens to someone who does not give the Tzedakah that he is required to give? From which Pasuk do we learn this?

(b) What did Rava implore the people of Mechuza?

(c) What do we learn from the Pasuk there "ve'Nogsayich bi'Tzedakah"?

(d) When the Beis-Hamikdash stood, the annual half-Shekel atoned for our sins, said Rebbi Elazar.
How do we manage nowadays?

Answers to questions



(a) What did Ula Meshagesh Urcheseih de'Eimeih Darshen from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "va'Yilbash Tzedakah ke'Siryon" (and Rebbi Chanina from the Pasuk there "u'che'Beged Idyam Kol Tzidkoseinu")?

(b) Who was 'Ula Meshagesh Urcheseih de'Eimeih'?

(c) His nickname came about as a result of the episode that we are about to discuss.
What is a 'Metzora bi'Yemei Sipuro'?

(d) What was Rav Sheishes initial reply when Rav Achdevu'i bar Ami asked him from where we know that a Metzora bi'Yemei Sipuro (renders the person who touched him, Tamei?

(a) Rav Achdevu'i queried this however, on the grounds that perhaps Tum'ah be'Chiburin is different.
What is 'Tum'ah be'Chiburin'?

(b) And he proved his point from the case of 'Hisit Neveilah'.
What does this mean? What is his proof from there?

(c) How did Rav Achdevu'i refute Rav Sheishes proof, first from Sheretz and then from Shichvas-Zera (semen), by each of which Rav Sheishes suggested in turn, that we learn Tum'as Adam from Tum'as Begadim?

(d) If we know Tum'as Adam by Sheretz from the Pasuk in Emor "O Ish Asher Yiga be'Chol Sheretz", from where do we learn it by Shichvas-Zera?

(a) Rav Sheishes ineptitude caused Rav Achdevu'i to answer exuberantly. What
  1. happened after, as a result of Rav Achdevui's exuberance...
  2. ... Rav Sheishes felt faint?
  3. ... Rav Sheishes mother (see Tosfos DH 'Asya Eimeih') came and pleaded with him in vain to take pity on Rav Achdevu'i?
(b) We finally learn Tum'as Adam by Yemei Sipuro with a 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Kibus Begadim" "Kibus Begadim".
From where do we learn the 'Gezeirah-Shavah?
(a) What, according to Rebbi Elazar, does someone who gives Tzedakah discreetly, achieve that even Moshe Rabeinu was unable to?

(b) How do we learn this from the Pasuk "Matan ba'Seiser Yichpeh Af ve'Shochad be'Cheik Cheimah Azah"? What does the Torah write about Moshe Rabeinu?

(c) Rebbi Yitzchak disagrees with this in part.
How does he interpret "ve'Shochad be'Cheik Cheimah Azah"?

(d) What alternative explanation does he give to this Pasuk?

(a) Rebbi Yitzchak extrapolates from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ha'Lo P'ros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha" that someone who gives a P'rutah to a poor person is blessed with six B'rachos.
How many additional B'rachos does he receive for appeasing him?

(b) And how does Rebbi Yitzchak explain the Pasuk in Mishlei "Rodef Tzedakah, va'Chesed, Yimtza Chayim, Tzedakah ve'Chavod"? Why should someone who gives Tzedakah, be rewarded with having to receive Tzedakah?

(c) How does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak elaborate still further?

(a) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak comes to preclude Rabah.
How did Rabah interpret the Pasuk in Yirmiyah (with reference to the men of Anasos, who were attempting to take his life) "ve'Yih'yu Muchshalim Lefanecha be'Eis Apcha Asei Bahem"? What did Yirmiyah want Hashem to do to them?

(b) How does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi interpret the Pasuk in Mishlei that we just discussed "Rodef Tzedakah, va'Chesed, Yimtza Chayim, Tzedakah ve'Chavod"? In this context, what does Shlomoh Hamelech mean by ...

  1. ... "Chayim"?
  2. ... "Tzedakah"?
  3. ... "Chavod"?
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