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(a) Another Beraisa states that if Reuven sells Shimon grain, he must accept
a Rova (a quarter of a Kav) of legumes per Sa'ah and a Rova of chaff per
Sa'ah of barley. For each Sa'ah of lentils that he buys, he must accept - a
Rova of a Kav of dirt and stones.
(b) We initially assume that, seeing as grain and barley grow from the
ground just like lentils, they too, must accept a Rova of dirt (a Kashya on
Rav Ketina), and the Tana mentions it specifically by lentils - because it
mentioned legumes by wheat and chaff by barley.
(c) We refute this however, concluding that the Rova of dirt applies
exclusively to lentils - because (unlike the other two), one picks lentils
by pulling them out of the ground (in which case someone who purchases
lentils can expect more dirt than the others).
(d) There is no proof that, since the Tana mentions a Rova of dirt
specifically by lentils, in the case of wheat and barley, one is not
obligated to accept a Rova of dirt (a proof for Rav Huna) - because it is
possible that the Tana mentioned it there only to preclude from the
contention that someone who purchases lentils needs to expect more that a
Rova of dirt per Sa'ah.
(a) Rav Huna rules that in a case where Shimon begins cleaning the crops
that he purchased from Reuven, and discovers that they contain more than a
Rova of Tinofes per Sa'ah - he may clean out all the Tinofes, and Reuven is
then obligated to reimburse him for the entire amount, either with wheat or
with their value in cash.
(b) If Shimon finds exactly a Rova, and cleans it out, claiming that he is
particular - he cannot demand that Reuven pays him, because, since most
people are Mochel a Rova, we apply the principle 'Batlah Da'ato Eitzel Kol
Adam' (We cannot contend with the peculiarities of every individual, whose
mind is Bateil to the majority).
(c) The reason for Rav Huna's ruling, assuming it is based on ...
1. ... logic is - that basically, a purchaser tends to pay the seller for
good fruit, only he is Mochel up to a Rova of Tinofes. However, once the
crops contain more than a Rova, which he is not Mochel, it takes little
effort for him to finish the job (in which case he is not even Mochel the
(d) The difference between whether it is Mamon or K'nas is - if we know that
Reuven did not add the Tinofes (which will negate the K'nas, but not absolve
Reuven if it is Mamon [see also Ritva]).
2. ... a K'nas is - that whereas it is normal to find up to a Rova per Sa'ah
(in which case there is no basis for suspecting Reuven of deliberately
adding the Tinofes), it is not normal to find more than a Rova (and
therefore we do indeed suspect Reuven of having done just that).
(a) The Beraisa requires the owner of a Sa'ah of crops, among which a Rova
of another species is growing, to pull out the excess of a Rova. According
to Rabeinu Chananel, the Tana is referring to when the owner is permitted to
initially sow the Sa'ah of crops. Alternatively, he might be speaking - by
crops that are already growing only that have not yet taken root (which is
the point when become forbidden).
(b) On the assumption that a Rova of another species by Kil'ayim is Chashuv
like more than a Rova of Tinofes in a sale, this poses a Kashya on Rav Huna
(according to the Lashon that it is a Din Mamon) - who obligates Reuven to
pull out even the Rova as well ('Kal va'Chomer', because if even in a case
of Isur, over which Beis-Din have no authority like they have in Mamon, the
owner is not obligated to pull out the excess, how much more so in a case of
Mamon, where the they have the right to declare someone's property Hefker).
(c) We answer that in fact, a Rova by Kil'ayim is not any more Chashuv than
a Rova in our Sugya. Nevertheless, the owner is obligated to remove the
excess in the first place (not according to the strict law, but) - because
of Chumra de'Kil'ayim.
(a) In the Beraisa of Kil'ayim, Rebbi Yossi rules - that he must remove
everything, even what is in excess of a Rova.
(b) It would have been easy to establish his reasoning according to our
initial interpretation of the Tana Kama (equating a Rova by Kil'ayim with
more than a Rova by Mechirah) - inasmuch as he (Rebbi Yossi) would hold that
we fine the Heter because of the Isur (whereas the Tana Kama holds that we
(c) We nevertheless establish his reason according to our current
understanding of the Tana Kama - inasmuch as he penalizes the owner because
it looks as if he is maintaining Kil'ayim in his field ...
(d) ... which is basically an Isur d'Oraysa (which is even subject to
(a) The Tana Kama in the Mishnah in ha'Mafkid rules that in a case where
Reuven and Shimon deposited with Levi, one a Manah and the other, two
hundred Zuz, and each one claims two hundred, Levi gives each one a Manah.
The third hundred - is put away in Beis-Din until Eliyahu comes.
(b) In any event, we see that in matters of K'nas - we do not penalize the
Heter because of the Isur, a Kashya on Rav Huna (according to the Lashon
that it is a Din K'nas), who holds that we do.
(c) We differentiate between the two cases, however, because there is less
reason to penalize even the Heter there, than there is here - seeing as we
know for sure that one Manah belongs to one, and one Manah, to the other
(leaving no real reason for punishing the Heter); whereas in our case, it is
possible that Reuven added the entire amount of Tinofes to the crops.
(a) Rebbi Yossi rules in the Mishnah in ha'Mafkid - that the all three
hundred Zuz are put away until Mashi'ach arrives.
(b) Rebbi Yossi might however, agree with Rav Huna - bearing in mind that
whereas in our case, there is no proof that Reuven cheated, there we know
for sure that one of the two men is a cheat.
(a) Rebbi Meir in the Beraisa invalidates a Sh'tar that contains Ribis even
as regards claiming the actual debt. This does not corroborate Rav Huna's
ruling, that Chazal penalized the Heter because of the Isur - since that
case is different, inasmuch as we know for sure that the entire Sh'tar was
written be'Isur, whereas in our case, there is no proof that Reuven
performed an Isur.
(b) The Chachamim say there - that the creditor may use the Sh'tar to claim
the basic debt.
(c) This does not pose a Kashya on Rav Huna - because there the basic debt
was certainly made be'Heter, whereas that is not at all certain in our case,
where Reuven may have added all the Tinofes.
1. Thirty Sa'ah comprise a Kur.
(b) If Reuven stipulates 'Beis-Kur Afar Ani Mocher Lach, Midah be'Chevel',
and adds 'Hein Chaser Hein Yeser' - then up to a Rova less or a Rova more
per Sa'ah (the equivalent of thirty Reva'im [seven and a half Kabin] per
Kur) is valid, but more than that is not.
2. Six Kabin comprise a Sa'ah.
(c) The Beraisa quoted by Ravin bar Rav Nachman states that in fact, if the
shortfall or the excess was more than a Rova per Sa'ah, then he must give
him all that is short, both what is in excess of the thirty Reva'im, as well
as the thirty Reva'im themselves.
(d) There is no proof from this Beraisa for Rav Huna, that we fine the Heter
because of the Isur - because that is only there, where he initially sold
him a Beis-Kur, which obviously does not incorporate more than that (and it
is only because he added 'Hein Chaser Hein Yeser' [or because 'Beis-Kur Ani
Mocher Lach' automatically implies that 'Hein Chaser Hein Yeser' up to a
Rova but no more] that we allow for the discrepancy of a Rova per Sa'ah),
but when it is more than that there is no Mechilah at all; whereas in our
case, where there is automatically an anticipated loss of a Rova per
Beis-Sa'ah, the Mechilah of that Rova might well remain even when there is
more than a Rova.