ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Basra 61
BAVA BASRA 61-67 - This week's study material has been dedicated by Mrs.
Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb
Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people
quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him.
His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.
(a) Our Mishnah states that someone who sells a house or a room('Bayis' can
mean either) has not sold the Yetzi'a - even if the Yatzi'a has a door that
leads into the room?
(b) Neither has he sold the room into which the main room leads - because
its use is independent of the main room (since it was used for storage, like
(c) Besides that room, the purchaser does not receive - the roof, assuming
it is surrounded by a Ma'akeh (a parapet) of ten Tefachim, together with the
house, according to the Tana Kama.
(d) Rebbi Yehudah disagrees with the Tana Kama. He considers - a 'Tzuras
ha'Pesach' (the shape of a doorway [even one that is less than ten Tefachim
tall]) to be the equivalent of a parapet of ten Tefachim.
(a) They translated Yatzi'a as 'Afta' (a low-roofed construction at the rear
or alongside a house). Rav Yosef translated it as Barka Chalilah - a similar
type construction, but with many windows (similar to an Achsadra [a
(b) If, as the first opinion maintains, a Yatzi'a is an Afta, then it goes
without saying that a Barka Chalilah (which is less part of the house than
an Afta, since its function is merely for aesthetics) is certainly not sold
together with the house whereas, according to Rav Yosef, a Barka Chalilah is
not sold together with the house, but an Afta is.
(c) Rav Yosef quotes a Beraisa, which discusses Yatzi'a, Tzela and Ta.
Effectively - these three are all one and the same, a serious of rooms that
adjoined the walls of the Heichal on three sides.
(a) In the Beis Hamikdash, there were three Tzela'os one on top of the
other - the bottom one five Amos wide, the middle one six, and the top one,
(b) ... arranged in this way, so that the planks that ran across the width
to form the ceiling, could rest on the extra space that caused the walls to
recede by one Amah (thereby avoiding having to knock nails or pegs into the
walls of the Heichal).
(c) When the Pasuk gives the measurements of each Ta as one Kaneh long and
one Kaneh wide - it means six Amos by six Amos, the length of one Kaneh,
which was a measuring-stick.
(a) When the Tana in Midos concludes with the wall of the Heichal, the Ta
and the wall of the Ta - he is measuring the length of the Heichal from east
(b) The Tana gives both the thickness of the wall of the Heichal and the
width of the Ta as six Amos, and the thickness of the wall of the Ta as -
(a) According to Mar Zutra, for the Mishnah to say that a Yetzi'a is not
sold together with the house - it must be at least four Amos square.
(b) Ravina asks Mar Zutra from the Din of Bor va'Dus in our Mishnah -
whether there too, the Tana is referring specifically to a pit of four Amos
by four Amos (which is much larger than a regular pit) ...
(c) ... to which Mar Zutra replied - that a pit is not included in the sale,
irrespective of size.
(d) The basis for this distinction is the fact - that the usage of the pit
is totally independent of the house; whereas a Yatzi'a, which is used (not
together with, but) in conjunction with the main room of the house, is
considered part of the house, unless it is at four by four Amos, when its
Chashivus renders it independent from the house.
(a) The problem with the Tana's mentioning a room within a room after having
taught that the purchaser does not acquire the Yatzi'a is - that if the
purchaser does not acquire the Yatzi'a (which is really an extension of the
main room), it seems obvious that he does not acquire the inner room either
(so why does the Tana need to insert it)?
(b) To answer this Kashya, we establish the latter case 'Af-al-Gav
de'Meitzar Leih Metzri' - which means that after specifying the room, he
indicated all four borders (e.g. so and so's room on the north, so and so's
on the south, and so on), and the inner room fell within those specified
(c) The reason that the inner room is not included in the sale is - because
a person prefers to specify borders that are distinct and easily
recognizable (even if they are a slight distance away from the property that
he is selling), rather than borders that are perhaps more precise, but less
recognizable (such as his own inner-room).
(a) The above Chidush is based on a statement to this effect by Rav Nachman
Amar Rabah bar Avuhah who was referring to - a case of someone who sold a
room within a many-roomed mansion, and specified the borders that surrounded
(b) Rav Nachman cannot be referring to a many-roomed mansion which ...
1. ... nobody refers to as a Bayis, but a Birah - because then it is
obvious that the mansion is not included in the sale of the Bayis.
(c) He is therefore referring to - where most people refer to such a mansion
as a Birah and not a Bayis, but there are some who refer to it is as a
2. ... everyone refers to it as a Bayis - because then there is no reason
why it should not be included in the sale.
(d) The reason that the mansion is not included in the sale is - because
seeing as most people do not call a mansion a 'Bayis', the seller should
have written in the Sh'tar that he omitted nothing from the sale (to
eliminate any doubts in the matter [precisely because of Rav Nachman's
principle of 'Meitzar Hirchiv Lo' meaning that he may have extended the
(a) Rav Nachman repeats the same Chidush with regard to someone who sold a
field in a large Bik'ah. The equivalent case there will be - when most
people refer to a Bik'ah as a Bik'ah, and there are some who call it a
(b) In both cases, we cannot use the price as an indication of whether the
seller included the entire property in the sale or only a small section of
it - because of the principle 'Ein Ona'ah le'Karka'os', meaning that Karka
is not subject to overcharging, and that people will sometimes pay more for
a field than it is really worth.
(c) In spite of having presented the case of ...
1. ... Bayis, Rav Nachman found it necessary to add the case of Sadeh -
because there, we might have thought since all the fields concerned are used
for the same purpose (e.g. planting crops), the sale definitely incorporates
(d) Based on the Din of Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah, Rav Mari the son
of Shmuel's daughter issued a ruling - that someone who sells property must
insert in the Sh'tar that he sold everything (to counter the possibility of
'Metzarim Hirchiv Lo'. Otherwise, we will assume that he did indeed extend
2. ... Sadeh, Rav Nachman nevertheless found it necessary to add the case of
Bayis - because there we might have thought that, since it is generally
easier to find clearly-defined borders of sorts between one room and another
(than between two fields), the S'vara of 'Metzarim Hirchiv Lo' will not
(a) When Reuven sold Shimon 'a field of Rebbi Chiya', and it then transpired
that he owned two such fields, Rav Ashi ruled - that 'a field of Rebbi
Chiya' implies one field and not two.
(b) The purchaser would receive - the lesser of the two fields (based on the
principle 'that the owner of the Sh'tar [who is the claimant], has the
(c) He called the fields by that name - because he bought them from Rebbi
(d) If the seller used the Lashon ...
1. ... 'Arata' - he would incorporate two fields.
2. ... 'Kol Arata' - he would incorporate all his fields, except for his
vegetable-gardens and vineyards.
3. ... 'Zihara' - ... even his vegetable-gardens and vineyards too, but not
his houses and Avadim.
4. ... 'Nechasai' - ... even his houses and Avadim would be included in the
sale as well.