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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Basra 29
BAVA BASRA 29 & 30 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz
Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
(a) According to Rava, the Rabbanan's source for the Chazakah of Karka is
the S'vara of Mechilah. In other words - Reuven is Mochel Shimon, when he
works on his field and eats the Peiros up to two years but not three.
Consequenty, his failure to protest during that third year serves to
substantiate Shimon's claim that he sold him the field.
(b) Abaye rejects ...
1. ... Rava's suggestion on the grounds - that if it were so, then Shimon
ought to return the field without paying for the fruit that he ate, yet Rav
Nachman obligates him to pay for the fruit as well.
(c) That cannot be the case however - because for a Chazakah to take
immediate effect on the property of Bei bar Meryon would be a contravention
of the principle 'Nasata Devarecha le'Shi'urin' (Chazal's Takanos need to be
uniform, and cannot be tailored to suit each person's individual needs).
2. ... Rava's second suggestion that for the first two years Reuven does not
object to Shimon's working on his field (though he is not Mochel), whereas
in the third, he does - on the grounds that, in that case, a Chazakah on the
property of people who tend to be fussy, and would never allow anyone to
work on their land under any circumstances, such as the Bei bar Elyashiv,
should be effective immediately.
(a) Rava's final S'vara to explain the three-year Chazakah of Karka
according to the Rabbanan is - that Reuven needs to warn Shimon within the
three-year period, because the latter tends to look after his Sh'tar up to
that time and no longer. The purpose of the warning therefore, is to deprive
him of an excuse to later claim that he had a Sh'tar but lost it.
(b) Abaye asked Rava why, in that case, a Mecha'ah not in the presence of
the Machzik, should be effective. Rava replied - that the latter cannot
argue that had the Mecha'ah been made in his presence, he would have made
sure not to lose his Sh'tar, because based on the S'vara that we cited
earlier 'Chavrech Chavra Is Leih ... ', we assume that he certainly heard
about the Mecha'ah, in which case he ought to have looked after his Sh'tar
(a) If not for Rav Huna, who teaches us - that the Chazakah must be
unbroken, we might have interpreted 'Shalosh Shanim mi'Yom el Yom' to mean -
even alternate years (and that the Tana is merely coming to preclude the
Reisha from the Din in the Seifa of 'Shanim Mekuta'os', and no more).
(b) According to Rav Chama, Rav Huna concedes that the Chazakah takes effect
even if the three years are not consecutive 'be'Asra de'Movri Bagi' -
meaning in a place where it is customary to work the land only every
(c) To answer the Kashya that this would then be obvious - we establish the
case - when the custom is not absolute, but that some people tend to leave
their fields fallow and others do not, and he is teaching us the even if
Reuven finds Shimon not working the land one year, he is nevertheless
obligated to make a Mecha'ah within the six year period (if he wishes to
stop Shimon from making a Chazakah).
(d) The reason that Reuven cannot counter that Shimon ought to have worked
the field for three consecutive years (since not everyone uses the rotation
system anyway) - is because Shimon can reply that, seeing as all the other
residents of his particular valley left their lands fallow every second
year, he found it uneconomical to employ a guard for his field only, during
(e) Yet even if the other residents of that particular valley did not employ
the rotation system at the time when Shimon chose to do so, the Chazakah
would still take effect, because Shimon can reply - that the that system
enabled his field to yield a more bountiful harvest during those years that
he worked the land.
(a) If, as Rav Huna asserts, the Chazakah must be unbroken - how will anyone
ever be able to make a Chazakah on a house, since what will Shimon do should
Reuven claim that he came on certain nights and discovered that Shimon was
not sleeping there?
(b) Abaye answers this Kashya however - by pointing to the neighbors, who
know exactly what goes on in Reuven's house, and will be able to testify
that Shimon was there every night.
(c) Rava establishes the Chazakah on houses when Levi and Yehudah testify
that they had hired the house from Shimon and had lived there for three
years, day and night. The problem Rav Yeimar has with this is - the fact
that Levi and Yehudah themselves are prejudiced inasmuch as if they do not
make this testimony, then Reuven will claim from them.
(d) Rav Ashi however, is unimpressed with Rav Yeimar's Kashya - because he
says, the Tana is speaking when Levi and Yehudah have not yet paid, and are
ready to pay the owner, whoever he is (so it makes no difference to them
whether Reuven ends up taking the house or Shimon).
(a) Mar Zutra states - that Reuven is acting within his legal rights when he
demands that Shimon brings two witnesses to prove that he lived in the house
day and night.
(b) The point of ...
1. ... Mar Zutra's his statement is (not merely to repeat what Rav Ashi just
said but) that even though Shimon requires three full unbroken years for a
Chazakah, he is not generally expected to bring proof of use for every day
and night during that period - should Reuven demand it, then he is obligated
to do so.
(c) Rav Huna will agree that we force Shimon to prove every day and night
that he stayed in the house, even though Reuven did not demand it
personally - if Reuven is a peddler, who travels from town to town, and who
is therefore unable to demand it of Shimon, simply because he is not always
in town, and cannot keep a check on Shimon's comings and goings. It is
important to bear in mind that a Mecha'ah of this nature requires Reuven's
positive knowledge that Shimon was not there during the time that he demands
2. ... Reuven's demand is to justify his failure to make a Mecha'ah.
(d) On the other hand, he will concede that even if Reuven does ask for
proof that Shimon lived in the house day and night, we ignore his demand, if
it concerns the stores of Mechuza - because the bakeries and wine-stores of
Mechuza were open by day but closed by night, and since it was common to
limit their use to the day, Reuven's demand for Shimon to prove that he used
it at night will fall on deaf ears.
(a) Rami bar Chama and his brother Mar Ukva entered into an agreement - that
they would take turns in working with the Shifchah that they had purchased
jointly, on an annual basis.
(b) Despite the fact that they had already owned her for three years, when a
third party claimed ownership of the Shifchah - Rava ruled that just as
their agreement prevented them from making a Chazakah against each other, so
too, did it prevent them from making a Chazakah against any third party.
(c) When he added however, that if they wrote 'It'da' (or 'Itra') it had a
Kol - he meant that writing their condition into a Sh'tar would enable them
to make a joint Chazakah against a third party.
(d) The Chazakah would then take effect after three years - to conform with
the ruling later that if three purchasers buy a field one from the other in
three consecutive years, then, provided each one has a Sh'tar, they combine
to make a Chazakah, because if Reuven claims that he did not bother to make
a Mecha'ah - because, seeing them taking turns, he thought they were afraid
to make a proper Chazakah, the Kol produced by the Sh'tar It'da, proves this
claim to be false.
(a) Rava rules - that if Shimon makes a Chazakah on all but a Beis Rova of
Reuven's field, he acquires the entire field except for that Beis Rova.
(b) Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua restricts the Beis Rova - to where it is
fit to produce crops; otherwise, Shimon will acquire even it together with
the rest of the field.
(c) Rav Bibi bar Abaye states - that one can make a Chazakah on a piece of
rock (even though it is not arable) by placing one's animals there, or
spreading out fruit.
(d) That being the case - why should Shimon acquire that Beis Rova together
with the rest of the field, seeing as he could have acquired it in of those
two ways, and failed to do so?
(a) When, in a case where Shimon proved that he had made the necessary
Chazakah on his house, Reuven countered 'Ana bi'Shechuni Gava'i Hava'i', he
meant - that he had not bothered to make a Mecha'ah because, throughout the
three years that Shimon had been living in the house, he had been living
there in the inner rooms.
(b) Rava objected to Rav Nachman's ruling ordering Shimon to prove that he
had lived alone in the house for three years, on the grounds - that since
Shimon had completed his Chazakah according to the Halachic requirements
(without any sign of a hitch), he was a Muchzak, and the onus lay on Reuven
to prove that he had been living in the inner rooms.
(c) This Machlokes must be speaking when there were independent witnesses to
the effect that the house had previously belonged to Reuven, because
otherwise - Rav Nachman would have conceded that Shimon is believed, because
of the principle 'Peh she'Asar (Shimon, without whose admission we would not
know that the house had belonged to Reuven), Hu ha'Peh she'Hitir' (when he a
dded that he bought it from him).
(d) We would have then believed Shimon when he claimed that he bought the
house from Reuven - because he could have said that the house had belonged
to him all along.