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Previous daf Bava Basra 132
1) WHEN A HEALTHY PERSON GIVES
(a) Question (Rava): What is the law regarding a healthy
2) WHEN A WIFE FORFEITS HER LIEN
1. Perhaps only a dying person intends that they will
honor, but if he is healthy, they will honor her (in
his lifetime) whether or not she is an overseer!
(b) Answer (Beraisa): If a man wrote the produce of his
property to his wife, she collects her entire Kesuvah
from the land (i.e. the gift was in addition to her
Kesuvah, not in place of it);
2. Or, perhaps he wants them to start showing more
honor to her form now!
1. If he wrote to her a half, a third or quarter of his
property, she collects her entire Kesuvah from the
(c) Rejection: Really, he was dying; the gift was to his
Mekudeshes or divorced wife (Ravina and Rav Avira agree
that she does not acquire).
2. R. Eliezer says, if he wrote all his property to her
and a creditor presents a loan document (dated
before the gift but after the Kesuvah) against him,
she tears up the gift document, (and he collects; if
she is later widowed or divorced and the husband did
not leave property to pay the Kesuvah) she can
collect her Kesuvah from what the creditor took;
i. (This is because the husband only intended that
the gift take effect if it benefits her.)
3. Chachamim say, by accepting the gift, she forfeited
the lien of her Kesuvah on that land (so she cannot
take it from the creditor).
4. R. Yehudah ha'Nachtom says, a case occurred with my
daughter-in-law; Rabanan ruled like Chachamim.
5. Inference: This is because a creditor had a claim
against the land - if not, she acquired the gift.
6. Question: What is the case?
i. If her husband was about to die - we said that
he only made her an overseer!
7. Answer: He was healthy (this answers Rava's
(d) (Rav Nachman): The Halachah follows Chachamim.
(e) Question: Is it really true that Rav Nachman does not
follow estimation (that presumably, he only intended for
his wife's benefit)?
1. (Beraisa): Reuven went overseas, his father heard
that Reuven died, he wrote all his property to
others. Later, Reuven returned - the gift stands;
(f) Answer: Our case is different, she is happy that people
hear that her husband wrote her the property, she pardons
the lien of her Kesuvah.
2. R. Shimon ben Menasiya says, the gift is void - had
he known that his son was alive, he would not have
3. (Rav Nachman): The Halachah follows R. Shimon ben
(a) (Mishnah): If Shimon wrote his property to his sons and
gave his wife any amount of land, she forfeits her (lien
on all the land designated to collect her) Kesuvah.
(b) Question: Does she really forfeit her lien for any amount
(c) Answer #1 (Rav): The case is, she acquired on behalf of
the sons (this shows that she consents).
(d) Answer #2 (Shmuel): Even if he gave the property in front
of her and she was silent (this shows that she consents).
(e) Answer #3 (R. Yosi b'Rebbi Chanina): The case is, he said
'Take this land in place of your Kesuvah' (and she was
1. (According to all three opinions), this is a
leniency of Kesuvos (that we assume that she
forfeits her lien).
(f) (End of the Mishnah - R. Yosi): If she said that she
forfeits the lien, this takes effect even if he did not
write any property to her.
(g) Question: This implies that the first Tana holds that he
must write and she must say that she pardons the lien!
1. Suggestion: The entire Mishnah is like R. Yosi.
(h) Rava (to Rav Nachman): Like which opinion do you hold?
2. Rejection (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): This is only if
she was there and accepted to pardon the lien - if
only one of these applies, she does not forfeit it.
3. This refutes all three Amora'im.
(i) (Rav Nachman): I say, if he wrote any amount of land to
her, that suffices for her to forfeit her lien (like R.
Yosi - receiving land or accepting suffices).
(j) Question (Rava): What is the law regarding a healthy
1. Perhaps only regarding a dying person, her silence
shows that she forfeits her lien, because she knows
that he will not acquire any more property;
(k) This question is not resolved.
i. But regarding a healthy person, perhaps she is
silent because she thinks that he may acquire
more property, she does not want to protest
until (if) she sees that she must!
2. Or, since she knows that now he has no other
property from which she can collect, her silence
shows that she forfeits her lien?
(l) A case occurred, Reuven said 'Half to my daughter, half
to my daughter, a third of the produce to my wife'.
1. (Rav Nachman citing Shmuel): Even if he gave his
wife a date tree to eat its fruit (until it dries
up), she forfeited her lien.
(m) A case occurred, Reuven said 'A third to my daughter, a
third to my daughter, a third to my wife'. One of the
2. (Rav Chisda): Shmuel only said that because he gave
her an acquisition in the land - here, he only gave
3. (Rav Nachman): If the produce was detached, surely
she did not forfeit her lien.
(n) (Rav Papa): His wife only gets a third (she forfeited her
lien on the rest).
(o) Rejection (Rav Kahana): She did not forfeit her lien from
property he will acquire in the future - here also, he
acquired back what he gave to the daughter who died!