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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Bava Basra 97
BAVA BASRA 97 - sponsored by Mr. and Mrs. D. Kornfeld to celebrate the
marriage of their nephew, Shlomo Eitan Turkel, to Ayeleth Gershuni. May they
be Boneh a Bayis Ne'eman b'Yisrael!
1) TEMED (cont.)
(a) Question: Is it really true that they argue when more
came out than was put in?!
2) WINE FOR KIDUSH
1. (Mishnah): If one put water on dregs, and the same
volume exuded, it is exempt from Ma'aseros;
(b) Answer: Really, they argue even when more came out; the
Beraisa discusses the case when the same volume exuded to
teach the extremity of R. Yehudah's opinion.
2. R. Yehudah obligates.
i. They only argue when the same volume exuded -
but if more exuded, all obligate to take
(c) Question (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): What is the blessing
on dregs that have the taste of wine?
(d) Answer (R. Chiya bar Avin): (Sheha'Kol) - it is not wine,
it is a mere taste.
(e) (Beraisa): Dregs of Terumah wine: the first and second
times one puts water on them, what exudes is forbidden
(like Terumah); the third time, it is permitted (like
(f) R. Meir says, even the third is forbidden if it tastes
1. Dregs of Ma'aser: the first time is forbidden (like
Ma'aser); the second time, it is permitted;
(g) Contradiction (Beraisa): Dregs of Hekdesh are always
forbidden, dregs of Ma'aser are always permitted.
2. R. Meir says, even the second is forbidden if it
tastes like wine.
3. Dregs of Hekdesh: the first three times are
forbidden; the fourth time, it is permitted;
4. R. Meir says, even the fourth is forbidden if it
tastes like wine.
1. The first Beraisa says that the dregs are sometimes
forbidden and sometimes permitted regarding Hekdesh
(h) Answer (part 1, regarding Hekdesh): Regarding Kedushas
ha'Guf (wine for Nesachim), the dregs are always
forbidden; regarding Kedushas Damim (their value is
Hekdesh), only the first three times are forbidden.
(i) Answer (part 2, regarding Ma'aser): Regarding definite
Ma'aser, the first time is forbidden; regarding Ma'aser
of Demai (Ma'aser of produce that perhaps already was
tithed), it is always permitted.
(j) (R. Yochanan): The law of Hechsher (to receive Tum'ah) is
the same as the law of when the dregs are forbidden.
(k) Question: Which Hechsher does he address?
1. Neither water nor wine needs any Hechsher!
(l) Answer: The case is, he put rainwater on the dregs.
(Rainwater which was not willfully collected is not
Machshir for Kabalas Tuma'h.)
(m) Question: Once he put the water in a vessel, this shows
that he wants the water, it is Huchshar!
(n) Answer: The rainwater fell on the dregs by itself.
(o) Question: The first time he removes the Temed, this shows
that he is happy the water fell there, it is all
(p) Answer (Rav Papa): He did not remove the Temed, a cow was
(a) (Rav): One must make Kidush on wine fitting for Nesachim.
(b) Question: What does this come to exclude?
1. Suggestion: This excludes unfermented wine.
2. Rejection #1: R. Chiya taught, one should not bring
unfermented wine for Nesachim; if he did, it is
i. Since it is Kosher b'Diavad for Nesachim, it is
Kosher l'Chatchilah for Kidush!
3. Rejection #2: Rava taught, one may squeeze grapes
and make Kidush on the juice!
(c) Answer #1: It excludes wine from the top and bottom of
(d) Rejection: R. Chiya taught, one should not bring such
wine for Nesachim; if he did, it is Kosher (therefore, it
is l'Chatchilah for Kidush).
(e) Answer #2: It excludes wine that is black, or white (and
bad), or sweet (and weak), cellar wine (that was not
checked, perhaps it is bad), and raisin wine.
(f) Rejection (Beraisa): One should not bring any of these
for Nesachim; if he did, it is Kosher.
(g) Answer #3: It excludes wine that is Koses (it cannot
intoxicate), diluted, was exposed, Temed, and wine that
1. (Beraisa): One should not bring any of these for
Nesachim; if he did, it is invalid.
(h) Question: Which of these did Rav come to teach about?
1. Surely, he did not come to exclude Koses - R.
Yochanan and R. Yehoshua ben Levi argued about this
(if he holds like R. Yochanan, it is proper wine
(and Kosher for Kidush); if he holds like R.
Yehoshua ben Levi, he should have said that one
blesses sheha'Kol on it).
(i) Answer #1: He comes to exclude Temed.
2. Surely, he did not come to exclude diluted wine - it
is better for Kidush!
i. (R. Yosi b'Rebbi Chanina): Chachamim agree with
R. Eliezer that we do not bless on the wine
(after Birkas ha'Mazon) until adding water.
3. Surely, he did not need to exclude exposed wine - it
is dangerous, and forbidden to drink!
1. Question: What is the case?
(j) Answer #2: He comes to exclude bad-smelling wine.
i. If he put in three measures of water and four
exuded - it is proper wine!
ii. If he put in three, and three and a half exude
- Chachamim and 'Others' argue about this (and
the Halachah follows Chachamim, one blesses
sheha'Kol on it)!
(k) Answer #3: Really, he comes to exclude exposed wine, even
if one passed it through a strainer according to R.
Nechemyah (that it is then permitted to drink);
1. Still, it is invalid for Nesachim - "Hakrivehu Na
(l) Question (Rav Kahana): Is white wine acceptable for
(m) Answer (Rava): No - "Al Tera Yayin Ki Yisadam".
(n) (Mishnah): Bottles in Sharon...
(o) (Beraisa): The 10 Pitasos (bad bottles) of the Mishnah
are usable and sealed with sulfur (but they were not
baked properly (Rambam; Rashbam - they will not last