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Previous daf Bava Basra 66
BAVA BASRA 61-67 - This week's study material has been dedicated by Mrs.
Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb
Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people
quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him.
His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.
1) WHAT IS CONSIDERED LIKE LAND
(a) (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): A beehive is like land: we may
write a Pruzbul (a document in which a person empowers
Beis Din to collect money owed to him, in order that they
will not be cancelled in Shemitah) if the borrower has a
beehive, it cannot become Tamei in its place, one who
takes honey from it on Shabbos brings a Chatas (if he
thought it was permitted), for it is like reaping;
(b) Chachamim say, it is not like land: we may not write a
Pruzbul unless the borrower has proper land, it can
become Tamei in its place, one who takes honey from it on
Shabbos is exempt.
(c) Rejection: No, R. Elazar explained R. Eliezer's opinion
about a beehive.
1. (R. Elazar): R. Eliezer learns from "Va'Yitbol Osah
b'Ya'aros ha'Devash" - just as uprooting from a
forest is a Melachah, also taking honey from a hive
is a Melachah (because the Torah considers it
(d) Answer #1: Really, the Beraisa is R. Eliezer; he is more
lenient by the board, because wooden vessels that do not
have a capacity to contain only receive Tum'ah
2. Answer #2 (to Question 3:b:1, 65B): His opinion
about the board is unlike the Beraisa.
3. (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If a baker's board was fixed
into the wall, it cannot become Tamei; Chachamim
say, it can become Tamei.
4. Summation of question (3:b, 65B): The Beraisa is not
like R. Eliezer - he considers attached vessels like
land, even if they were attached after they were
i. It is not like Chachamim - they consider
attached vessels like Metaltelim, even if they
were made vessels after they were attached!
1. Inference: This implies that drawn water (i.e. that
was in a vessel) disqualifies a Mikveh mid'Oraisa!
2) OTHER LAWS SPECIAL TO LAND
2. Objection #1: But the Halachah is, it only
disqualifies a Mikveh mid'Rabanan!
(e) Answer #2: Really, the Beraisa is Chachamim; they are
lenient by the pipe, because drawn water only
disqualifies a Mikveh mid'Rabanan.
3. Objection #2: R. Yosi ben R. Chanina taught, R.
Eliezer and Chachamim argue regarding a metal board!
(f) Question: If so, they should be lenient even if it was
hollowed out and then attached!
(g) Answer: They are stringent then, for it was considered a
vessel before it was attached.
(a) Question (Rav Yosef): If someone intended that rain water
should wash the frame around a millstone, (is this like
intention for something detached, i.e.) does the water
now Machshir (enable) produce to become Tamei? (Water
which one never intended to use to wash an object that
was "detached" is not Machshir.)
1. According to R. Eliezer, anything attached to the
ground is like the ground, surely the water is not
(b) Rav Nechemyah brei d'Rav Yosef instructed Rabah bar Rav
Huna to authorize a certain girl to collect a tenth of
her father's estate (for her dowry), even from the frame
around a millstone (this is like R. Eliezer, who
considers it like land).
2. The question is according to Chachamim (Rashbam - of
our Mishnah; Tosfos - in the Mishnah of the board).
3. This question is not resolved.
(c) (Rav Ashi): We collect even from rental of houses.