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Previous daf Bava Basra 9
BAVA BASRA 9 & 10 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy
Nishmas Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah.
1) WHOM WE TRUST
(a) There were two slaughterers who made a deal: if either
works on the other's day, the skin of his animal will be
torn. Reuven worked on Shimon's day, and Shimon tore the
2) HOW MUCH WE GIVE TO THE POOR
1. Rava: Shimon must pay.
(b) (Beraisa): We do not ask collectors of Tzedakah to give a
calculation of what they collected and distributed, nor
with Gizbarim of Hekdesh;
2. Rav Yemar bar Shalmiya: But the Beraisa teaches
(People of the city may fix...) and enforce this
3. Rava did not answer.
4. (Rav Papa): Rava was justified in not answering -
when there is a great person in the city, fines must
be enacted in front of him.
1. A hint (not a proof) of this - "V'Lo
Yechashevu...ve'Emunah Hem Osim".
(c) (R. Elazar): Even when giving money to a trustworthy
person, one should wrap and count the money - "Va'Yatzuru
(d) (Rav Huna): If a person (claiming to be poor) requests
food, we check if he is truly poor; if he requests
clothing, we give before checking.
(e) We can learn from a verse or from reasoning.
1. Reasoning: Someone without clothes is embarrassed,
someone lacking food is not.
(f) (Rav Yehudah): We check before giving clothing, not
before giving food.
2. A verse: "Paros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha" - this is
written with a 'Sin', it may be read 'Perosh'
(clarify before giving). (Either we must say like
Tosfos (Shabbos 55B) that the Gemara's text (of
Yeshayah) differs from our text, or we must change
the text of our Gemara (see Maharsha).)
i. "...Ki Sireh Arum v'Chisiso" - as soon as you
see him, clothe him.
(g) We can learn from a verse or from reasoning.
1. Reasoning: Someone without food is in pain, someone
lacking clothing is not.
(h) Support (for Rav Yehudah - Beraisa): If a person requests
clothing, we check if he is truly poor; if he requests
food, we give before checking.
2. A verse: "Paros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha" - immediately;
i. "...Ki Sireh Arum v'Chisiso" - after you see
that he is truly poor.
(a) (Mishnah): A poor person that is travelling, we give him
at least a loaf bought for a Pundion when grain sells for
four Sa'im for a Sela (i.e. the loaf is a quarter Kav);
1. If he will spend the night, we give him needs of
(b) (Beraisa): If a person begs from door to door, we do not
give him from the Kupah.
i. (Rav Papa): This is a bed and a pillow.
2. If he will stay over Shabbos, we give him food for
(c) A poor person begging from door to door came to Rav Papa;
he did not give to him.
1. Rav Sama brei d'Rav Yeiva: If you do not give him,
no one will, he will die!
(d) (Rav Asi): A person should give at least a third of a
Shekel to Tzedakah every year - "We established Mitzvos
upon ourselves...Shlishis ha'Shekel b'Shanah (above the
half-Shekel the Torah requires) for the Mikdash."
2. Question: But the Beraisa says that we do not give
3. Answer: We do not give him a large amount, we give a
(e) (Rav Asi): Tzedakah is equated to all the Mitzvos -
"V'Ha'amadnu Alenu Mitzvos (in the plural)".
(f) (R. Elazar): One who gets others to give is greater than
one who gives himself - "V'Hayah Ma'ase ha'Tzedakah
1. One who merits (to have a good Mazel), "Paros
la'Ra'ev Lachmecha" will apply to him;
(g) Rava (to people of his city): Do (Tzedakah) with each
other in order that you will have Shalom with the king.
2. If not, "V'Aniyim Merudim Tavi Vayis" (The kingdom
of Romi, that constantly demands money, will take
(h) (R. Elazar): When the Mikdash stood, a person gave a half
Shekel, and this was an atonement for him;
1. Now that it does not: if a person gives Tzedakah,
this is good;
2. If not, Nochrim will forcibly take his money.
i. Even so, that is considered Tzedakah -
(i) (Rav Sheshes (Rashi; Tosfos - Rav Achdevoy bar Ami), who
perverted the ways of his mother): "Va'Yilbash Tzedakah
ka'Shiryan" - just as little pieces of iron join to make
a big armor, also every Perutah of Tzedakah joins to a
3) HOW A METZORA IS METAMEI PEOPLE
1. (R. Chanina): We learn this from "Uch'Veged Idim Kol
Tzidkoseinu" - just as every thread joins to make a
big garment, also every Perutah of Tzedakah joins to
a great sum.
(a) Question: How did Rav Sheshes (Tosfos - Rav Achdevoy)
pervert his mother's way?
4) THE REWARD OF TZEDAKAH
(b) Answer: He forced her to act immodestly in the following
1. Question (Rav Achdevoy bar Ami): What is the source
that a Metzora during the days of counting (after
bringing birds until he shaves) is Metamei people?
2. Answer (Rav Sheshes): Since he makes clothing Tamei,
he makes people Tamei.
3. Question (Rav Achdevoy bar Ami): Perhaps he only is
Metamei what he wears, but not other clothing or
i. One who moves a Neveilah is Metamei what he
wears, but not other clothing or people!
4. Question: We still did not hear the source that a
Metzora during the days of counting is Metamei
ii. Counter-question (Rav Sheshes): What is our
source that a rodent is Metamei people, if not
that it is Metamei clothing?
iii. Answer (Rav Achdevoy bar Ami): It says
explicitly by rodents, "Ish Asher Yiga b'Chol
iv. Correction - Counter-question (Rav Sheshes):
Rather, what is our source that semen is
Metamei people, if not that it is Metamei
v. Answer (Rav Achdevoy): Also by semen, it says,
"O Ish", to include one who touches!
vi. Rav Achdevoy answered jovially; Rav Sheshes was
very hurt, and Rav Achdevoy became mute and
forgot his learning. Rav Sheshes' (Tosfos -
his) mother begged Rav Sheshes to pray for him;
he refused, until she asked him to have mercy
on the breasts that nursed him.
vii. Rav Sheshes prayed for him, and he recovered.
5. Answer (Beraisa - R. Shimon): It says that a Metzora
must wash (immerse) his clothes during the days of
counting and during the days he is Muchlat
i. Just as he is Metamei people when he is
Muchlat, also during the days of counting.
(a) (R. Elazar ha'Gadol): A covert gift of Tzedakah
suppresses damaging angels of anger more than the prayer
of Moshe Rabeinu!
1. Regarding Moshe, it says "Ki Yagorti Mipenei ha'Af
veha'Chemah" (he feared them); regarding Tzedakah
given covertly, it says "Matan ba'Seser Yichpeh Af
v'Shochad ba'Cheik Chemah Azah" (it covers them).
(b) Version #1: R. Yitzchak disagrees.
1. (R. Yitzchak): Covert Tzedakah suppresses Af, but
not Chemah - "V'Shochad ba'Cheik Chemah Azah";
(c) Version #2 - (R. Yitzchak): Any judge who takes bribery
brings harsh Chemah to the world - "V'Shochad ba'Cheik
Chemah Azah". (End of Version #2)
i. Even though he gives Tzedakah covertly, there
is still Chemah.
(d) (R. Yitzchak): Anyone who gives a Perutah to a poor
person gets six blessings; one who comforts him with kind
words gets 11 blessings.
1. Regarding who gives ("Paros la'Ra'ev Lachmecha") he
is rewarded "Yibaka...(he will succeed greatly, he
will be healed speedily, his Tzedakah will bring him
to Gan Eden, Hash-m's glory will gather him, Hash-m
will answer his cry, Hash-m will do his will);
(e) (R. Yitzchak) Question: Because one is "Rodef Tzedakah
v'Chesed, he will (need and) find...Tzedakah"?
2. Regarding one who comforts him with words ("V'Safek
la'Ra'ev Nafshecha") he is rewarded "V'Zarach..."
(his success will shine, he will be saved from
afflictions, Hash-m will always guide him on the
good path, he will not suffer hunger or thirst, his
bones will be healthy, he will be satiated as a
garden that is always moist, and as an unceasing
spring, his deeds will build the ruins of the world,
and restore the fallen foundations, he will be
called the one who fenced the breach, and returned
people to Torah).
(f) Answer #1 (R. Yitzchak): Rather, anyone who pursues to do
Tzedakah, Hash-m will enable him to give Tzedakah.
(g) Answer #2 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): Hash-m will present
to him fitting recipients of Tzedakah, so he will get
1. This is to exclude the case Rabah taught about.
(h) (Rabah): "Va'Yihyu Muchshalim Lifanecha" - Yirmeyah asked
that even when (the people who wanted to kill him) try to
do Tzedakah, Hash-m should present to them unworthy
recipients, so they will get no reward.