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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 67
1) "NOSEN TA'AM LI'FGAM"
(a) (Mishnah): The general rule is - if it gives a beneficial
(b) (Rav Yehudah): The Halachah is like our Mishnah.
(c) (Rav Yehudah and Rabah bar bar Chanah): We only permit
when the vinegar fell on hot grits;
1. If it fell on cold grits and then they were heated,
this is like something which initially was li'Shvach
(improves the taste) and later was Pogem (spoils the
taste), it is forbidden.
(d) (Rav Dimi): People used to put vinegar on cold grits on
Erev Shabbos in Tzipori - they called it Shichlayim
(cress), for vinegar is also added to Shichlayim.
(e) Version #1 (Reish Lakish): (The Mishnah) does not permit
on account of Nosen Ta'am li'Fgam if the mixture tastes
bad on account of too much or too little salt or spices;
1. Rather, Nosen Ta'am li'Fgam applies if it is
properly seasoned, and the Isur spoils the taste.
(f) Version #2 (Reish Lakish): (The Mishnah) does not say, if
a mixture had more or less seasoning it would taste good,
therefore we do not permit on account of Nosen Ta'am
1. Rather, if (as it is seasoned) now the Isur spoils
the taste, it is permitted.
(g) (R. Avahu): If the Isur gives taste and is intact - if it
has k'Zayis (an olive's worth of Isur) bi'Chdei Achilas
Pras (in the volume of a half loaf (three or four eggs)),
it is forbidden, one is lashed for eating (a k'Zayis of
Isur in) the mixture;
1. If the Isur gives taste and is not intact (Rashi -
it was dissolved; R. Eliyahu - if it is less than
k'Zayis bi'Chdei Achilas Pras; R. Yosef - even if it
has k'Zayis bi'Chdei Achilas Pras), it is forbidden,
one is not lashed for eating it;
(h) The Halachah follows Version #2 of Reish Lakish.
2. If it makes the taste even worse, it is permitted.
3. Question: Why not say that if it harms the taste, it
4. Answer: This teaches that even if other (permitted)
things also harm the taste, it is permitted.
(i) (Rav Kahana): We learn from all these Amora'im that Nosen
Ta'am li'Fgam is permitted.
(j) Objection (Abaye): Granted, we learn from the others, but
how do we learn from Reish Lakish?
1. He explains the Mishnah - perhaps he holds that the
Halachah does not follow our Mishnah!
(k) Question: This implies that a Tana forbids Nosen Ta'am
(l) Answer: Yes!
1. (Beraisa - R. Meir): Whether an Isur is li'Shvach or
li'Fgam, it forbids (a mixture);
(m) R. Meir learns from Isur absorbed in vessels of Nochrim -
even though it is li'Fgam, the Torah forbids it (i.e.
vessels taken from Midyan had to be Kashered).
2. R. Shimon says, li'Shvach forbids, li'Fgam does not.
(n) R. Shimon explains like Rav Huna brei d'Rav Chiya.
1. (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Chiya): The Torah only forbids
a vessel that absorbed Isur the same day (most
explain - within the last 24 hours) (after this, the
taste is Pagum).
(o) Question: What is R. Shimon's reason?
2. R. Meir says, even if the Isur was absorbed the same
day, it is somewhat Pagum (therefore, we do not
distinguish, it is forbidden in any case).
(p) Answer (Beraisa): "Lo Sochlu Chol Nevelah la'Ger
(...Titnenah va'Achalah)" - it is only called (and
forbidden like) Neveilah if a Ger (Toshav) would eat it.
1. R. Meir does not learn from here - he says that this
only excludes a Neveilah which was spoiled from the
beginning (before the animal died).
2. R. Shimon does not need a verse to exclude that
case, it is like dirt.