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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 66
1) WHEN DO ABSORBED TASTES FORBID?
(a) If old wine fell onto grapes, all agree it forbids them
b'Nosen Ta'am (if the Isur can be tasted in the mixture);
2) DOES THE SMELL MATTER?
(b) (Abaye): If new wine fell onto grapes, it forbids them
b'Mashehu (even if only a drop fell in);
(c) (Rava): If new wine (i.e. grape juice) fell onto grapes,
it forbids them b'Nosen Ta'am.
1. Abaye says that it forbids them b'Mashehu - we
follow the taste, since grapes and grape juice have
the same taste, this is like Min b'Mino (when
forbidden and permitted quantities of the same
species are mixed together), it forbids b'Mashehu
(this is like R. Yehudah);
(d) Question (against Abaye - Mishnah): If Yayin Nesech fell
onto grapes (if they are broken, they are forbidden; we
are thinking that new wine fell.)
2. Rava says that it forbids b'Nosen Ta'am - we follow
the name, grapes and grape juice are different, this
is like Min b'She'eino Mino (when forbidden and
permitted quantities of different species are mixed
together), this forbids b'Nosen Ta'am.
1. Suggestion: The wine forbids b'Nosen Ta'am (some
explain - since the end of the Mishnah says that
only a beneficial taste forbids, and whenever Bitul
does not apply, even a detrimental taste forbids).
(e) Answer #1: No, the wine forbids b'Mashehu.
(f) Rejection: The end of the Mishnah says that if it
benefits the taste, it forbids - surely, also in the
beginning of the Mishnah, it forbids b'Nosen Ta'am!
(g) Answer #2: Old wine fell, all agree that it forbids
(h) (Abaye): If wine vinegar and beer vinegar were mixed
together, or wine made from wheat and wine of barely
became mixed - since these have different tastes, this is
like Min b'She'eino Mino, it forbids b'Nosen Ta'am;
(i) (Rava): Since these have the same name (both are called
vinegar (or wine)), this is like Min b'Mino, b'Mashehu.
(j) Version #1 - Rashi - Support (Abaye, for himself -
Mishnah): If spices of two or three names from the same
species, or from three different species, were mixed
together, they join to forbid the food (b'Nosen Ta'am).
(k) Version #2 -Tosfos - Support (Abaye, for himself -
Mishnah): If spices of two or three different
prohibitions that are all from the same species, or from
three different species, were mixed together, they forbid
the food (b'Nosen Ta'am); if they were mixed with a dry
food, they join to comprise the quantity which does not
become Batul (e.g. for Terumah, one in 100). (End of
1. (Chizkiyah): The case is, all the spices sweeten.
(l) Answer (Rava): The Mishnah is R. Meir, who says that all
2. This is like Abaye - since they have the same taste,
they join to forbid, even if they are from different
names (Rashi; Tosfos - prohibitions) and species!
3. According to Rava, since the names (Tosfos -
prohibitions) are different, they should not join!
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah citing R. Meir): All
prohibitions join to forbid - "Lo Sochal Kol
To'evah", all Torah prohibitions are forbidden by
(a) If forbidden vinegar fell into (a larger quantity of)
permitted wine, all agree that it forbids them b'Nosen
(b) (Abaye): If forbidden wine fell into (a larger quantity
of) permitted vinegar, it forbids b'Mashehu;
(c) (Rava): It forbids b'Nosen Ta'am.
1. Abaye says b'Mashehu - the wine receives the smell
of the vinegar when it is above it (before it falls
in), even though it tastes like wine it is
considered vinegar, this is like Min b'Mino;
(d) Version #1 (Rashi): (All permit) a Nochri to smell a
Yisrael's wine through Bas Tiha (a hole in the cork - we
do not decree, lest the Yisrael smell (and benefit from)
the Nochri's wine);
2. Rava says b'Nosen Ta'am - wine that smells like
vinegar and tastes like wine is considered wine,
this is like Min b'She'eino Mino.
(e) Version #2 (R. Chananel (brought in Rashba)): (All
permit) a Nochri to suck a Yisrael's wine through Bas
Tiha (a straw, midway through the straw there is a hole,
the wine is drawn from the barrel and falls out the hole
(to gather it in a vessel) - since the Nochri does not
touch the wine, it is permitted);
(f) (Abaye): A Yisrael may not (suck, for he will) smell a
Nochri's wine through Bas Tiha.
(g) (Rava): He may smell it.
1. Abaye forbids, he says that smell is important
(smelling is like drinking)
(h) Support (for himself - Rava - Mishnah): If bread was
baked in an oven heated with cumin of Terumah, Yisraelim
may eat the bread, because it does not absorb the taste,
only the smell.
2. Rava permits, he says that smell is not important.
(i) Rejection (Abaye): There is different, for the
prohibition (the Terumah) is burned.
(j) (Rav Mari): Tana'im argue as Abaye and Rava do.
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir): If one removed hot bread from
an oven, and put it on top of a barrel of Terumah
wine, the bread is forbidden to a Zar (non-Kohen);
(k) Rejection: Indeed, Rava cannot hold like R. Meir - but
even R. Yehudah could hold like Abaye!
2. R. Yehudah permits it;
3. R. Yosi permits wheat bread, but forbids barley
bread, for barley absorbs (the smell of the wine).
4. Suggestion: R. Meir says that smell is important, R.
Yehudah says that it is not.
1. (Rabah bar bar Chanah): All agree that if warm bread
was put on top of an open barrel, it is forbidden
(it absorbs a strong smell);
2. All agree that if cold bread was put on top of a
closed barrel, it is permitted;
3. They argue about warm bread on a closed barrel and
cold bread on an open barrel.
4. Smelling through Bas Tiha is like warm bread on an