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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 65
1) A NOCHRI THAT DOES NOT SERVE IDOLATRY
(a) Rav Yehudah sent a gift to Avidarna (a Nochri) on the
Nochri festival - he reasoned, this is permitted, because
he does not serve idolatry.
2) PAYMENT FOR WORK WITH "YAYIN NESECH"
(b) Question (Rav Yosef - Beraisa - R. Meir): A Ger Toshav is
one who accepted in front of three Chaverim not to serve
idolatry (Avidarna did not accept in front of three)!
(c) Answer (Rav Yehudah): That refers to the Mitzvah to
(d) Question: But Rabah bar bar Chanah taught, if a Ger
Toshav circumcised himself within 12 months, he is like a
Nochri Min (and Avidarna has refrained from idolatry for
longer than this without circumcising himself)!
(e) Answer: This is only if he accepted to circumcise himself
and did not.
(f) Rava sent a gift to bar Shishach (a Nochri) on the Nochri
festival - he reasoned, this is permitted, because he
does not serve idolatry. He found him in a bathhouse,
surrounded by naked harlots.
1. Bar Shishach: Is your world to come as good as this?
(g) Rav Papa: Rava should have proven that our world to come
is better from "Benos Melachim bi'Krosecha Nitzvah Shegal
li'Mincha b'Chesem Ofir" (princesses will honor you (or
seek to help you), your wife will have ornaments of the
2. Rava: Our world to come is better than this.
3. Bar Shishach: Can anything be better than this?!
4. Rava: You fear the king, we will not fear the King.
(Iyun Yakov; according to Rashi (Vayikra 26:12), we
must explain, we will not tremble in fear of Hash-m,
but we will fear Him. Anaf Yosef explains, we will
not fear our (mortal) king in the days of Mashi'ach.
5. Bar Shishach: I do not fear the king!
i. A messenger of the king came, he told Bar
Shishach 'Go, the king wants you'.
6. Bar Shishach (as he was leaving): The eye that
wishes to see bad things befall you, it should fall
7. Rava answered Amen; Bar Shishach's eye fell out.
(h) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak: He should have proven this from
"Ayin Lo Ra'asa Elokim Zulasecha Ya'aseh li'Mchakeh Lo".
(a) (Mishnah): If he hired him for different work (even if he
asked him to transport a barrel of Yayin Nesech, the
wages are permitted).
(b) Inference: Even if he moved the barrel before he finished
the day's work, the wages are permitted.
(c) Contradiction (Beraisa): If a Nochri hired a Yisrael (for
different work) and asked him at the end of the day to
transport a barrel of Yayin Nesech, the wages are
1. Inference: Had he asked him during the day, the
wages would be forbidden!
(d) Answer #1 (Abaye): The Mishnah permits the wages only if
he asked him at the end of the day.
(e) Answer #2 (Rava): In the Beraisa, he was hired to move
100 barrels for 100 Perutos (therefore, he is not
entitled to wages until he moves the Yayin Nesech);
1. In the Mishnah, he was hired to move 100 barrels for
one Perutah each (so he is entitled to receive 99
Perutos for the other barrels).
(f) Support (Beraisa): If a Nochri hired a Yisrael to move
100 barrels for 100 Perutos, and one of them contained
Yayin Nesech, the wages are forbidden;
1. If he was hired to move 100 barrels for one Perutah
each, the wages (for the other barrels) are
(g) (Mishnah): If a Nochri rented a Yisrael's donkey to carry
Yayin Nesech, the wages are forbidden.
(h) Question: We already know this from the beginning of the
Mishnah (a Yisrael's wages for working with Yayin Nesech
(i) Answer: The Chidush is the following clause - if he
rented it to ride on, even if he puts his wine pouch on
it, (all the) rental is permitted.
(j) Inference: This teaches that a renter is not entitled to
put his pouch on (otherwise, part of the wages would be
for carrying Yayin Nesech);
1. Contradiction (Beraisa): If one rents a donkey to
ride on, he may put on it his garment, food and
drink for this journey; the owner can stop him from
putting any more on it;
(k) Answer (Abaye): Really, a renter is entitled to put his
pouch on - however, if he did not, he cannot deduct from
the rental (therefore, the Yisrael does not benefit from
the Yayin Nesech).
2. The owner (who is accompanying him) can put on it
the donkey's food and his own food for one day - the
renter can stop him from putting more than this.
(l) Question: What is the case?
1. If they will be able to buy food on the way - the
owner should also be able to limit the renter to one
(m) Answer (Rav Papa): The case is, it is hard but possible
to buy in between where they lodge at nights.
2. If they will not be able to buy food on the way -
the owner should also be allowed food for the whole
1. The owner is used to buying food this way, he must
(n) The father of Rav Acha brei d'Rav Ika would bring barrels
of wine, sell it to Nochrim and pour it into their
pouches; he would take them across the river, they would
pay for this with the empty barrels.
2. A renter is not used to buying this way, he is
allowed to take food for the whole journey.
3) ABSORPTIONS OF "YAYIN NESECH"
1. People told this to Abaye (the wine becomes Yayin
Nesech in their pouches, and Rav Acha's father
benefits from it)!
(o) Abaye: His work is with permitted wine (before it lands
in their pouches, and mixes with leftover drops of Yayin
Nesech (or absorbs it from the walls of the pouches)).
(p) Question: But their pouches are forbidden, and he
benefits from them - if the pouches would break, they
would need the barrels, they would not give them to him!
(q) Answer #1: He stipulated with them, he is entitled to the
barrels in any case.
(r) Answer #2: They had extra containers in case the pouches
(s) Question: He transported them and their Yayin Nesech
across the river (and was paid for this)!
(t) Answer: He did not transport them himself, he arranged
with the ferryman to take them across for free (the
ferryman knew the people, or Rav Acha's father would give
them a sign).
(a) (Mishnah): If Yayin Nesech fell onto grapes, the grapes
must be rinsed, then they are permitted;
1. If the grapes were broken (Tosfos - or detached from
the cluster, this leaves a hole), they are forbidden
(for they absorb).
(b) (If Yayin Nesech fell on dates or figs, if it gives a
taste to them, they are forbidden - Rashbam's text omits
(c) A case occurred, Baisus ben Zunin brought dried figs on a
boat, Yayin Nesech fell on them - Chachamim permitted
(d) The general rule is, if Yayin Nesech gives a beneficial
taste, (what it fell on) is forbidden;
. If it does not give a beneficial taste, it is
permitted, such as vinegar that fell on grits.
(e) (Gemara) Question: The episode brought does not support
the Halachah, it contradicts it!
(f) Answer: The Mishnah is abbreviated, it means as follows:
1. If the Yayin Nesech gave a detrimental taste, what
it fell on is permitted;
(g) Yayin Nesech fell on wheat; Rava permitted to sell the
wheat to Nochrim.
2. A case occurred, Baisus ben Zunin brought dried figs
on a boat, Yayin Nesech fell on them - Chachamim
permitted them. (According to our text, we must say
that wine improves the taste of moist figs, it is
detrimental to dry figs.)
(h) Question (Rabah bar Livai - Beraisa): If a thread of
(linen in a wool garment (or vice-versa), which makes it)
Kilayim was lost in a garment, the garment may not be
sold to a Nochri, nor used to make a saddle;
1. One may use it for shrouds for a Mes.
(i) Rava retracted; he permitted to make bread from the wheat
and sell it to Nochrim, not in the presence of a Yisrael
(bread of a Nochri is forbidden, a Yisrael would not buy
it unless he knew that the Nochri bough it from a
2. Question: Why may it not be sold to a Nochri?
3. Answer: Perhaps he will sell it to a Yisrael;
i. For the same reason, we should not sell wheat
that absorbed Yayin Nesech to a Nochri!
(j) Question (Mishnah): If Yayin Nesech fell onto grapes, the
grapes must be rinsed, then they are permitted; if the
grapes were broken, they are forbidden.
1. Inference: If they are whole, they are permitted -
likewise, the wheat should be permitted!
(k) Answer (Rav Papa): Wheat has cracks, it absorbs as if it