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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 59
1) PROTESTING AGAINST APPARENT TRANSGRESSIONS
(a) In Batzrah, Reish Lakish saw Yisraelim eating produce
without tithing it; he forbid them to do this;
2) NOCHRIM THAT DEAL WITH OUR WINE
1. He saw them drink water which Nochrim had bowed to;
he forbade this.
(b) R. Yochanan: Go retract immediately! Batzrah (is in Chutz
la'Aretz, it) is not Betzer (the refuge city in Eretz
1. One cannot forbid public water.
(c) Question: This implies that if the same water was
privately owned, one could forbid it - but it is attached
to the ground!
(d) Answer: No, the case is it detached (e.g. in a vessel).
(e) Suggestion: In any case, this is like rocks of a mountain
that were uprooted;
1. We should be able to deduce that R. Yochanan forbids
them (if they were Ne'evadim - but he and Benei R.
Chiya argued about this, and we could not resolve
who forbade and who permitted)!
(f) Rejection: No, the case is, the Nochri took the water in
his hands, this is not like rocks that were uprooted by
(g) R. Chiya bar Aba went to Gavla and saw three things -
Benos Yisrael would become pregnant through Nochrim who
were circumcised but did not yet immerse (to convert),
Yisraelim would drink wine mixed by Nochrim, Yisraelim
would eat lupines cooked by Nochrim.
1. He did not say anything to them; he told R.
Yochanan, who told him to announce that their
children are Mamzerim, their wine is (forbidden
like) Yayin Nesech, and their lupines are forbidden
as Bishul Akum because they are not Benei Torah.
(h) Their children are Mamzerim - this is as R. Yochanan
taught elsewhere, a convert is a Nochri until
circumcision and immersion;
1. (R. Yochanan): If a Nochri or slave had relations
with a Bas Yisrael, the child is a Mamzer.
(i) Their wine is Yayin Nesech - on account of 'Lech Lech...'
(j) Inference: Their lupines are forbidden as Bishul Akum
because they are not Benei Torah (if we permit them, they
will treat Bishul Akum lightly) - but they are permitted
to Benei Torah.
(k) Question: But Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak taught Bishul
Akum does not apply to anything that can be eaten raw
(lupines are not eaten raw, they should be forbidden to
(l) Answer: R. Yochanan holds like a different teaching.
(m) (Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak): Bishul Akum does not apply
to anything not fit for a king's table (lupines are not
(a) Question: May a Nochri help a Yisrael carry grapes to the
(b) Answer (Rav Kahana): It is forbidden on account of 'Lech
(c) Question (Rav Yemar - Beraisa): If a Nochri brought
grapes to the Gas in baskets, even if the juice is
flowing on the grapes, it is permitted.
(d) Answer (Rav Kahana): I agree that b'Diavad it is
permitted, I only forbid l'Chatchilah.
(e) A Nochri's Esrog fell into a barrel of wine; he ran and
stuck his hand in to retrieve it.
1. Rav Ashi (to Yisraelim): Hold his hand so he cannot
shake it (and forbid benefit from the wine), and
tilt the barrel so the wine will flow out (into
another vessel - if the Nochri would remove the
Esrog, even if Yisraelim were holding his hands, we
would be concerned for Nisuch).
(f) (Rav Ashi): If a Nochri intentionally was Menasech
Reuven's wine, Reuven may ask him for its full (initial)
(g) Question: Why is this (not like selling Yayin Nesech to
(h) Answer: The Nochri forbade it to Reuven, it is as if he
burned it, Reuven collects payment for damage.
(i) Support (Rav Ashi for himself - Beraisa): If a Nochri was
Menasech Reuven's wine not in front of idolatry, it is
(j) R. Yehudah ben Bava and R. Yehudah ben Beseira permit it
for two reasons:
1. Nisuch is only done in front of idolatry;
2. No one else can forbid Reuven's wine against his
will. (Rashi - this shows that Reuven is entitled to
collect damages from him; Tosfos - if some Tana'im
permit the wine, it is unlikely that other Tana'im
are so stringent to forbid taking its value from the