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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 24
4) BUYING SACRIFICES FROM NOCHRIM(cont)
5) BREEDING A RED HEIFER
(c) Answer: Regarding the stones of the Efod, it says "Avnei
Shoham" (without a 'Vav'), therefore they (Tosfos - and
the stones of the Choshen, which follows immediately in
the verse) are disconnected from "Benei Yisrael
ii. Dama had the stone, but it was locked in a
chest, the key was under the pillow on which
his father was sleeping. Dama did not wake his
father, he lost the deal.
(d) Question #1: But it says "*V'*Avnei Milu'im (*and* the
stones of the Choshen)", connecting them (Rashi - and
also the stones of the Efod) to "Benei Yisrael v'Yikchu"!
(e) Question #2: The story continued: the next year, a red
heifer was born in Dama's herd. He said 'I know that I
could receive any price I ask - I only request the money
I lost last year.'
(f) Answer to both questions: They bought (the heifer, and
wanted to buy the stone) through a Yisrael middleman
(this is considered buying from a Yisrael).
(g) Question: Is it really true that R. Eliezer is not
considered for bestiality?
1. (Beraisa - Chachamim, to R. Eliezer): A red heifer
was bought from a Nochri, Dama!
(h) Answer: R. Eliezer is considered for bestiality, and he
also requires that it be bought from a Yisrael.
2. R. Eliezer: The case was, Yisraelim were guarding it
(to ensure that he would not have relations with it)
from the day it was born.
(i) (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): The case was, Yisraelim were
guarding it from the day it was born.
(j) Question: According to Rava, we must be concerned lest he
had relations with its mother from the time it is formed!
1. (Rava): If an animal gored a person or had relations
with a person, if it was pregnant at the time, the
offspring is also disqualified from being a
sacrifice, for it was part of the goring or
(k) Answer: Yisraelim also guarded the mother from the time
the fetus was formed.
(l) Question: We must be concerned lest he had relations with
the mother even before this!
1. (Mishnah): All animals disqualified from being a
sacrifice, their offspring are valid.
(m) Answer: Yisraelim guarded the mother from the time the
mother was formed.
2. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): The offspring are
3. The question is not according to Rava.
i. (Rava): They only argue when the bestiality
occurred after they became Hekdesh; all agree
that bestiality when they were Chulin does not
disqualify the offspring.
4. The question is according to Rav Huna bar Chinena.
i. (Rav Huna bar Chinena): They only argue when
the bestiality occurred when they were Chulin,
all agree that bestiality when they were
Hekdesh disqualifies the offspring.
(n) Question: We should be concerned lest he had relations
with the mother's mother!
(o) Answer: (The child is only disqualified because it is
disgraceful;) because this is very removed, we are not
concerned for it.
(a) Question: We answered above, Yisraelim guarded the mother
from the day the fetus was formed - how did we know that
it would be red?
6) BUYING SACRIFICES FROM NOCHRIM
(b) Answer (Rav Kahana): They pass a red cup in front of the
mother during mating, this causes the child to be red.
(c) Question: Since it is so easy to cause a heifer to be
red, why is it so expensive?
(d) Answer: It is disqualified even if it has two hairs that
are not red (this is normally the case).
(e) Question: Why did we try to make a Nochri's cow red, and
not those of Yisraelim?
(f) Answer (Rav Kahana): Dama's cows were established to have
red calves by means of the cup.
(a) Version #1 - Rav Papa - (R. Ami or R. Yitzchak Nafcha):
Similarly, R. Eliezer disqualified any sacrifice bought
from a Nochri.
(b) (The other of them): Chachamim challenged R. Eliezer:
"Kol Tzon Kedar...Al Ratzon Mizbechi";
1. R. Eliezer: In the future, they will convert without
Beis Din (this is invalid, but in any case they will
guard the Mitzvos).
(c) Version #2 - Rav Zvid - (R. Ami and R. Yitzchak Nafcha):
Similarly, R. Eliezer disqualified any sacrifice bought
from a Nochri;
2. (Rav Yosef): He learns from "Ehfoch El Amim...Likro
Kulam b'Shem Hash-m".
3. Question (Abaye): Perhaps they will only give up
4. Answer (Rav Yosef): The verse ends "Le'avdo Shechem
1. Chachamim challenged R. Eliezer: "Kol Tzon Kedar..."
(d) Question (against R. Eliezer): Animals of Miztri'im were
acceptable for sacrifices - "Ata Titen b'Yadenu
2. R. Eliezer: In the future, they will convert without
i. He learns from "Ehfoch El Amim..."
ii. Question (Rav Yosef): Perhaps they will only
give up idolatry!
iii. Answer (Abaye): The verse ends "Le'avdo Shechem
(e) Answer: Before the Torah was given, bestiality did not
(f) Question: "Va'Yikach Yisro...Olos..."
(g) Answer: This was also before the Torah was given.
1. This is according to the opinion that Yisro came
before the Torah was given.
(h) Question: According to the opinion that he came after the
Torah was given, how can we answer?
7) THE COWS THAT RETURNED THE ARON
(i) Answer: He bought sacrifices from Yisraelim.
(j) Question: "Me'Amaleki...Meitav ha'Tzon v'Habakar Lema'an
(k) Answer: They spared the best animals in order to sell
them and buy sacrifices.
(l) Question: Why did they spare only the best animals?
(m) Answer: They are easiest to sell.
(n) Question: "Va'Yomer Aravna (the Yevusi)...ha'Bakar
la'Olah veha'Morigim u'Chlei ha'Bakar la'Etzim".
(o) Answer (Rav Nachman): Aravna was a Ger Toshav (who
observes his Mitzvos).
1. Question: What does "Morigim" mean?
2. Answer: Planks with indentations; animals step on
them, and the grain is threshed.
(a) Question: "V'Es ha'Paros (with which the Plishtim sent
the Aron) He'elu Olah".
(b) Answer: That was an exceptional ruling, on account of the
1. Support: We must say so, for normally females cannot
be Olah offerings!
(c) (R. Yochanan): If a man has relations with a female
animal less than three years old, it will become sterile
(therefore, Nochrim do not have relations with animals
under three, Chachamim permit buying them for
2. Rejection: A female is a valid Olah on a private
i. (Rav Ada bar Ahavah): "Va'Yikach Shmuel Tele
Chalav Echad va'Ya'alehu Olah (he offered a
nursing ewe)" - this teaches that a female is a
valid Olah on a private altar.
ii. Question: "Va'Ya'alehu" is masculine, teaching
that he offered the suckling lamb!
iii. Answer: Even though we pronounce it
'Va'Ya'alehu', it is written 'Va'Ya'aleha'
1. If it is more than three years old, it will (Tosfos
- probably) not become sterile, therefore we may not
buy it for a sacrifice (Tosfos - or leave it by a
(d) Questions: All the verses asked against R. Eliezer (that
do not specify that the animals were less than three) may
be asked against R. Yochanan!
(e) Answers: Indeed, they only refer to animals under three.
(f) Question: "V'Es ha'Paros He'elu Olah"!
(g) Answer #1: The cows were under three.
(h) Objection (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Noson): "V'Es Beneihem
Kalu va'Bayis" - a cow does not give birth before it is
three! (Tosfos - nature has changed, it happens
1. (Mishnah): If one buys a cow or female donkey less
than three years old (from a Nochri, surely it has
not given birth), if its first child (after it was
bought) is a male, it definitely must be given to a
(i) Answer #2: Rather, we must say as above, it was an
2. If he buys one more than three years old (perhaps it
already gave birth), if its first child (after it
was bought) is a male, we are in doubt (perhaps it
is be a firstborn, we must wait for it to get a
blemish, then it may be eaten; the owner need not
give it to a Kohen).
(j) Question: What does it mean "*Va'Yisharnah* ha'Paros
(k) Answer #1 (R. Yochanan): They sang.
(l) Answer #2 (Rav Zutra bar Tuviyah): They faced the Aron
(m) Question: What did they sing?
(n) Answers (R. Yochanan...): "Az Yashir Moshe...", "Hodu
la'Sh-m...Hodi'u va'Amim Alilosav", the anonymous (Rashi;
Tosfos - unspecified) Mizmor - "Mizmor Shiru
la'Sh-m...Nifla'os Asah", "Hash-m Molach Yirgezu Amim
Yoshev Keruvim Tanut ha'Aretz", "Hash-m Molach Ge'us
Lavesh" or 'Roni Roni ha'Shita...''
(o) (Rav): Parsim call a Sefer 'Devir' - their source is
"V'Shem Devir Lefanim Kiryas Sefer".
(p) (Rav Ashi): They call a Nidah 'Dushtana', taken from
"Derech NaSHim Li" (Rashi; Maharsha - they coin an
indirect language for it, just like the Torah).