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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 9
AVODAH ZARAH 9 (18 Adar) - dedicated by Reb Gedalya Weinberger of Brooklyn,
N.Y., in memory of his father, Reb Chaim Tzvi ben Reb Shlomo Weinberger, on
his Yahrzeit. Reb Chaim Tzvi, who miraculously survived the holocaust,
raised his children with a strong dedication to Torah and its study.
1) THE YEARS AFTER THE "CHURBAN"
(a) Question: Did Rome start to subjugate Yisrael only 180
years before the Churban?!
1. (R. Yosi b'Rebbi): The Parsim ruled for 34 years of
the second Mikdash, the Yevanim for 180 years, the
Chashmona'im for 103 years, and Hordus and his seed
for 103 years (206 years remained from when Rome
(b) Answer (also, the culmination of the answer to (8B 4:k)):
Rome honored their promise to Yisrael for 26 years, only
after that they subjugated Yisrael.
(c) (Rav Papa): If a Chacham (knows how many full centuries
it has been since the Churban of the second Mikdash, but)
does not know the excess (the number of years in the
partial century above this), he should add 20 to the date
written on Gitin. (Gitin are dated from Yavan's
supremacy, which was 6 years after they started ruling,
380 years before the Churban. If he adds 20, this is 400
more than the years since the Churban. The excess (the
years above a full number of centuries) is exactly what
he wanted to learn. (The number of centuries is four more
than it should be, but he already knew the correct number
1. A way to remember this - "Zeh Li Esrim Shanah
(d) If a scribe (knows the centuries but) does not know the
excess (how many years it is since Yavan's supremacy, to
write in a Get), he should deduct 20 from the number of
years since the Churban.
1. A way to remember which is which - a scribe deducts
(some words must be written missing letters), a
Chacham adds (learns Tosefta).
(e) (Tana d'vei Eliyahu): Six thousand years were decreed
upon the world: 2000 years of emptiness (without Torah),
2000 years of Torah, and 2000 years for Mashi'ach;
1. Ours sins have caused that many of these years
elapsed and Mashi'ach still has not come.
(f) Question: What signifies the beginning of the years of
1. Suggestion: The giving of the Torah.
(g) Answer: Rather, "Ha'Nefesh Asher Asu v'Charan" (from when
Avraham and Sarah started teaching people Hash-m's ways);
2. Rejection: It was less than 2000 years from then
until the above teaching was taught (in the period
of the Amora'im, and it said that many years of
Mashi'ach have already elapsed)!
1. Tradition teaches that Avraham was 52 at the time
(it was the year 2000);
(h) (Rav Papa): If a Chacham (knows the centuries but) does
not know the excess (how many years of Mashi'ach (i.e.
after the year 4000) have passed), he should add 48 to
the number of years written in Gitin (dated from Yavan's
supremacy, 380 years before the Churban, 552 years before
the year 4000. If he adds 48, this is 600 too much, it
teaches him the excess.)
2. It was another 448 years until the giving of the
1. A way to remember this - "Arba'im u'Shmoneh Ir".
(i) If a scribe does not know the excess (to write in a Get),
he should deduct 48 from the number of years of Mashi'ach
that have passed.
1. A way to remember which is which - a scribe deducts,
a Chacham adds.
(j) Version #1 -Rashi - (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua): If
one does not know which year of the Shemitah cycle it is,
he should add one year onto the number of years since the
Churban (because the Churban was in the year after
(k) Version #2 - R. Tam - (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua): If
one does not know which year of Shemitah it is, he should
deduct two years from the number of years since the
supremacy of Yavan (since that started 40 years after the
start of the second Mikdash, two years before a Shemitah
year); (end of Version #2)
1. For each century that has passed, he should count it
like two years (because it contains 14 full Shemitah
cycles and an extra two years), add this to the
excess years, and take the remainder after dividing
by seven (for these are full cycles).
(l) (R. Chanina): Do not waste money buying land 400 years
after the Churban, even for a pittance, for surely
Mashi'ach will come then (and land will revert to its
2. A way to remember this - "Zeh Shenasayim ha'Ra'av
b'Kerev ha'Aretz" (Rashi - two years are added for
every 100; R. Tam - one deducts two years, or adds
five (like the continuation of the verse, "v'Od
(m) (Beraisa): Do not waste money buying land in the year
4231, even for a pittance, for surely Mashi'ach will come
1. The Beraisa predicts Mashi'ach three years later
than R. Chanina.