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Previous daf Avodah Zarah 7
AVODAH ZARAH 7 (16 Adar II) - dedicated by Mr. Avi Berger of Queens, N.Y. in
memory of his father, Reb Pinchas ben Reb Avraham Yitzchak, on the day of
1) RULES FOR DECIDING THE HALACHAH
(a) (Rav Huna): The Halachah follows R. Yehoshua ben Korchah
and (in the Mishnah we shall cite) R. Yehudah.
2) OTHER PLACES WHERE THE HALACHAH FOLLOWS R. YEHOSHUA BEN KORCHAH
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir): If Reuven asked Shimon to dye
his wool red, and he died it black, or vice-versa -
R. Meir says, Shimon pays the value of the wool he
(b) Question (Rav Yosef): I understand why you needed to say
that the Halachah follows R. Yehoshua ben Korchah - one
would have thought that the Halachah follows the majority
2. R. Yehudah says, Reuven pays the increased value or
Shimon's expenses, whichever is smaller.
1. But there was no need to teach that the Halachah
follows R. Yehudah - when Tana'im argue in a
Mishnah, and a subsequent Mishnah in unauthored, the
Halachah follows the unauthored Mishnah!
(c) Answer: Rav Huna holds that we cannot apply the above
rule in this case, for we do not know which Mishnah came
2. They argue in the above Mishnah in Bava Kama, and an
unauthored Mishnah in Bava Metzia is like R.
i. (Mishnah): Anyone who deviates, he has the
lower hand; anyone who retracts, he has the
(d) Question: If so, we can never apply the rule, for we do
not now which Mishnah came first!
(e) Answer: We know the order within one Maseches.
1. Rav Yosef holds that Bava Kama, Bava Metzia and Bava
Basra are all one Maseches (in that order).
(f) Alternatively: Rav Yosef held that there was no need to
teach that the Halachah follows R. Yehudah, because the
Mishnah in Bava Metzia is like R. Yehudah;
1. Version #1 (Rashi): Since that Mishnah was taught
(out of place) along with other laws, this teaches
that it is the Halachah.
2. Version #2 (Tosfos): Since that Mishnah was taught
in the language of stating the Halachah, it is the
(a) (Beraisa): Reuven may not say to Shimon (on Shabbos)
'Come to me at night' (so I can hire you);
(b) R. Yehoshua ben Korchah permits this.
(c) (Rabah bar bar Chanah): The Halachah follows R. Yehoshua
(d) (Beraisa): If Reuven asked a Chacham (Moshe) a law, and
Moshe ruled that the matter is Tamei or forbidden, Reuven
may not ask another Chacham (Tosfos - unless he tells him
how Moshe ruled);
1. If two Chachamim give different rulings: if one is
greater than the other in Chachmah and the number of
Talmidim, we follow his ruling;
(e) (Rav Yosef): The Halachah follows R. Yehoshua ben
2. If not, we follow the stringent ruling;
3. R. Yehoshua ben Korchah says (if neither is
greater), regarding a mid'Oraisa law, we follow the
stringent ruling; regarding a mid'Rabanan law, we
follow the lenient ruling.
(f) (Beraisa - R. Meir): If a robber or ignoramus seeks to
repent (Tosfos - after having accepted to be trustworthy
and stumbled), we never (again) consider them reliable;
(g) Version #1 (Rashi): R. Yehudah says, if they are covert
about repenting, we do not accept them; if they are open,
we accept them;
1. Another version says, if they sinned in private, we
accept them; if they are sinned openly, we do not
accept them (we suspect that their repentance is
(h) Version #2 (Tosfos): R. Yehudah says, if in private they
did not fulfill what they previously accepted, we do not
accept them (for they deceive people); if they openly
stumbled, we accept them;
1. Another version says, if they fulfilled their
commitment in private, we accept them; if they
(only) fulfilled it in public, we do not accept
them. (End of Version #2)
3) HOW MANY DAYS ARE FORBIDDEN?
2. R. Shimon and R. Yehoshua ben Korchah say, in either
case we accept them - "Shuvu Banim Shovevim".
(i) (R. Yitzchak of Ako): The Halachah follows R. Yehoshua
(a) (Mishnah - R. Yishmael): Three days before the festival
are forbidden and three days after it;
4) OTHER TEACHINGS OF NACHUM HA'MADI
(b) Chachamim say, before the festival is forbidden, after
the festival is permitted.
(c) (Gemara - Rav Tachlifa bar Avdimi): According to R.
Yishmael, one may never do business with Nochrim that
celebrate Yom Rishon.
(d) (Mishnah - Chachamim): Before the festival is forbidden,
after the festival is permitted.
(e) Question: This is just like the first Tana of the Mishnah
(2A)! (The Mishnah would not bring the same opinion
twice, they must argue about something!)
(f) Answer #1: The first Tana forbids three days in addition
to the festival, Chachamim forbid three days including
(g) Answer #2: The first Tana permits b'Diavad if one (bought
from or) sold to them before the festival, Chachamim
(h) Answer #3: The first Tana agrees with Shmuel, who says
that in Chutz la'Aretz, only the day of the festival is
1. Chachamim forbid the three previous days even in
(i) Answer #4: The first Tana forbids three days before the
festival, Chachamim forbid only one day before, like
1. (Beraisa - Nachum ha'Madi): Only one day before the
festival is forbidden.
2. Chachamim: No one ever said such a thing!
3. Question: But Chachamim (in our Mishnah) agree with
4. Answer: Nachum is the Chachamim of our Mishnah.
(a) (Beraisa - Nachum ha'Madi): We may sell a male, old horse
to Nochrim in wartime.
(b) Chachamim: No one ever said such a thing!
(c) Question: But ben Beseira also permits selling a horse to
(d) Answer: Ben Beseira does not distinguish between make and
1. Since Nachum only permits male horses, he must hold
like Chachamim (that argue with ben Beseira);
according to Chachamim, no one ever said such a
(e) (Beraisa - Nachum ha'Madi): One must tithe the seeds,
vegetable, and stems of dill.
(f) Chachamim: No one ever said such a thing!
(g) Question: But R. Elazar agrees with him!
1. (Mishnah - R. Elazar): One must tithe the seeds,
vegetable, and stems of dill.
(h) Answer: That refers to dill which grows in a garden (all
parts of it are edible; Nachum refers to dill which grows
in a field, normally only the seeds are eaten).
(i) Question (Rav Acha bar Minyomi): Can it be that
everything that Nachum said, no one agrees with him?!
(j) Answer (Abaye): The Halachah follows him regarding
1. (Beraisa - Nachum ha'Madi): One may make personal
requests in the middle of the blessing 'Shome'a
(k) Rejection: We do not rule like Nachum because he said the
law, rather because Chachamim said so.
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): One should request what he
needs and then pray (Shemonah Esreh) - "Tefilah
l'Ani Chi Ya'atof v'Lifne Hash-m Yishpoch Sicho";
i. 'Sichah' means prayer - "Va'Yetzei Yitzchak
2. R. Yehoshua says, one should pray and then request
what he needs - "Eshpoch Lifanav Sichi Tzarasi
3. Question: How does R. Eliezer explain this verse?
4. Answer: 'I will pour my prayer in front of Him, when
my needs are already before Him (I already asked)'.
5. Question: How does R. Yehoshua explain "Chi Ya'atof
v'Lifne Hash-m Yishpoch Sicho"?
6. Answer: 'I will express my needs when my prayer is
already before Hash-m (I already prayed)'.
7. Question: The verses are inconclusive - on what do
8. Answer: About R. Simlai's law.
i. (R. Simlai): One should praise Hash-m before
praying; we learn from Moshe -
"Hash-m...Hachilosa Leharos Es Avdecha...Eberah
Na v'Er'eh Es ha'Aretz"
9. R. Yehoshua learns from Moshe;
10. R. Eliezer does not learn from Moshe, Moshe's
awesome deeds and Chachmah made him fitting to
recount Hash-m's praises.
11. Chachamim say, one should request his needs in (the
midst of prayer in) 'Shome'a Tefilah'.